Dimas/Roids,

You're the same guy, right?  Allow me to retort.

dimas wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 3:53pm:


Thank you for clarifying this point.  You never stated in your previous posts that the officers in question had a prescription for the steroids (this is what you are saying, correct?)  However, the point remains that these guys basically tried to circumvent the law here in the USA by going to Mexico to procure the steroids, and then sneak them across the border.  They knew they were breaking the law, and they knew they would be in big trouble if they were caught.  This does not bode well for two law enforcement officers that are sworn to uphold the laws of the land.  The fact remains that they couldn't have gotten their hands on the steroids legally here in the USA, right?

dimas wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 3:53pm:


We can just agree to disagree on this point.  Stupid mistake is a gross understatement in my opinion.  The rest of your quote is just making excuses for the officers, and trying to show everyone here that they aren't so bad compared to all the really bad officers out there.

dimas wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 3:53pm:


I don't want to beat this to death, but did they have a prescription from an American Doctor or a Mexican Doctor? Let me guess.....it was a Mexican Doctor, because no American Doctor would have written a prescription for your two buddies, correct?  It's not like they were purchasing a drug that was legal in either Mexico or the USA with the intent to save money, like so many of our senior citizens.  They were doing it because they couldn't legally get the drug here in the USA.  

Did these two dummies even consider the consequences in case they were caught?  Did they consider how it might look to the citizens of the community they serve that they were caught bringing a drug across the border that they weren't supposed to?  I would have fired both their dumb asses for a total lack of judgement and disregard for the law.  Why are you making excuses for these guys?

dimas wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 3:53pm:


You're not excusing their use of steroids, you're mearly sympathizing with them because their confidence was shaken?  Maybe it's just me, but you really sound like you're sticking up for these guys, and rationalizing their choice to take steroids.  

I'll ask you again......what is the answer to this problem?  If not hitting the weight room, and increased training in hand to hand combat skills (as I suggested), then what is your answer?  Steroids?  Talk about a credibility gap.......How about showing a little bit of credibility here and tell us all what your department is doing to help combat this problem?  Or better yet, how are you approaching this problem?  I have to tell you that I think your attitude towards this problem as a law enforcement officer is really very disappointing.  I would have expected more out of a LE professional.  

dimas wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 3:53pm:


Yes, I'm sure everyone here on these boards will be lining up to thank you/Roids for all your "facts."  

Bottom line in this whole thread is:  if you injected steroids without a prescription in your lifetime, it will be a disqualifiying event for most, if not all police departments in the USA, regardless of how much you/Roids profess their safety.  

Kona

BlackJhack wrote on Jun 15^th, 2004 at 11:37pm:



BJ, have you no sense of logic or deductive ability?  

1.  Yes, I went throught the state mandated LE academy.

2.  I put myself through EMT school on my own time, believe it or not there are actually EMT schools that are not "firefighter academies"  and for the record you should know that firefighters are not all Paramedics, but usually they are trained as first responders as the paramedic curiculum is quite long.  Of course you wouldn't know any of this because you are not a LE officer or a firefighter.

3.  ALL kinesiology programs result in a Bachelor of SCIENCE.  Ofcourse this is something that once again escapes your comprehension.  Yes, Kinesiology prepares you to be a P.E. (Physical Education)coach, However, we are talking about steroids which are a drug that has an effect on PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE.

4.  Pre-Law is something a University will usually do to have your course curriculum "fit in" with classes that will either prepare you for law school or have something to do with the law.  I.E. There are criminal justice whose degree can either prepare you for a Police, Corrections, Probation, Counseling or Law career by having you take courses that fit in with your chosen field.   Perhaps in your mind a person can only be good at or choose one field of study, but believe it or not many of us are actually capable of studying and being good at more than one thing.

I am sorry BJ, but you just seem to dig yourself into a bigger and bigger hole.  Look at your posts, they aren't well thought out or rational.  Take a deep breath, relax and read them for yourself and ask yourself if those are posts made by a mature individual ready to be a LE officer.  Is that the kind of professionalism you would want displayed by an LE officer.


Kona,

I am not Mr. Roid info, if I was going to state a position I would do it openly with DIMAS.  I am however, greatful he is posting as I would most likely be too lazy to look up the technical info he has posted with references to post them up for only two guys to learn.

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There is no one solution to the problem.  I was the co-facilitator for the Officer Safety course at the academy and can honestly tell you that while the hand to hand skills may work on your avg citizen, they are quite useless against a larger unwilling oponent.  I have also looked into other nationally recognized restraint techniques/programs such as PMAB and CPI and found that they are even more pathetic.

Before working in LE I was a Mental Health Technician at a treatment center and got my first great wake up call.  It often took several of us Techs to restrain only one "acting out" individual and even then a nurse was necessary to administer a cocktail to calm the person as they were likely to either escape our grasps or break their own bones, rip their own tendons and muscle in an attempt to get away from us.  Now mind you that at the facility there were at least 8 of us per shift who could immediately respond.  Out in the field it will often only be one officer with back up minutes away.

Rodney King and all the other examples of "police brutality" have had a very detrimental effect on the manner in which LE individuals can use force.  Such as you are only allowed to use your ASP on limbs, not the body or head.  Mace is a tricky one, as we have found that often it also gets in the officers eyes and blinds them as well.  "closed hand defensive strike" is the politically correct term for when an officer punches someone, but to be honest most officers avoid using this like the plague due to fear of losing their jobs.

Female officers are usually great when dealing with most people because they have learned through time to use verbal deescalation techniques due to their lack of physical strength.  Unfortunately, verbal deescalation does not work on the con looking to do hard time and then the officer is in for a real fight for their life.

What are departments/my department doing?  there really isn't much they can do.  The logic is quite simple in physical incidents the larger individual will almost always win.  Almost all departments either offer a reduced gym membership or offer gyms in each station for their officers.  The problem here is trying to find the energy to work out when working 50-60hr weeks and secondly a person's genetices/ability to actually make gains when working out.  LE officers are not allowed to use Karate or guage out eyeballs or any of a plethora of things Joe-criminal will use to get away.  If anything LE departments are more worried about a law suit and public frenzy resulting from the use of excessive force than having an officer get beat down.  It all comes down to simple economics.  

Many of you who join LE will often get a huge wake up slap in the face.  I have been very lucky in my career that I have never lost control of a situation, this is not to say that I have not been punched or given a ride for my money, but I was fortunate enough to always control the situation/person in the end and I always remember feeling very shaken up and scared for my life.  Now imagine how the officers who actually lose a confrontation must feel.  When I speak of the officers that got caught I by no means say they should be exonerated, they got caught and the punishment was probably appropriate.  What I am saying is that I can understand their decision to use them but do not agree with it.

I hope I answered your questions.

dimas wrote on Jun 16^th, 2004 at 4:59am:


Fair enough.  You have your way of looking at this, and I have mine.   

Kona

Roids, 
You like to talk about my lack of reading comprehension skills, again I have 3 words for you... there, their, and they're.

Dimas,
I think you just showed everybody on the site what an angry person you are. You didn't address any of the topics at hand. I have so much that I could say about your last post, but I will refrain. Just relax, breathe and enjoy the weekend!

Dimas, keep up the good work. You are BY FAR the more logical, rational, knowledgable, intellectual, and realistic one. Your opinions and advice are much more coherent and informative than those other 2 individuals. Your right Dimas, the one that is winning the discussion never resorts to personal insults as the other 2 are. It's known in philosophy as an ADD-Homonym, and the people using ADD-HOMONYMS are the ones LOSING the arguement.

P.S. Kona, if it was up to you, anyone who ever smoked pot, got excessively drunk, or took a girlfriends motrin for pain would not get into LE. A person's judgement may change for the better over a period of time. Just because a person did something unhealthy 10 years ago, and used bad judgement while doing it, does not mean they still have poor judgement. You make no sense, and are totally judgemental and unforgiving. Most people like yourself are incredible HIPOCRITES, doing the very thing you tell other not to.

There are fantastic police officers out there who used poor judgement when they were younger(before they were cops) but they learned from there mistakes and bad judgement and became great people. They now turn people away from the very behavior, that was at one time, extremely detrimental to them. There own bad experiences have saved others from doing the very same awful thing.

I hope you never do anyhting wrong KONA, you may not be able to live with yourself.

stud wrote on Jun 18^th, 2004 at 10:17am:


Stud, I am not quite sure if you are really complimenting me or being sarcastic.   ???   It is quite early so my brain isn't at 100% yet.  Either way, welcome to the discussion board.

As far as winning, I am not really out to "win" this per se, as much as I am really out to make people learn to use their minds.  Ignorance is one of the most dangerous shortcomings out there.  

As for Kona, while he and I have VERY different opinions on subjects it appears that we have both agreed to disagree on the subject without resorting to unnessesary personal attacks.  I welcome argument from a person like Kona any day, as I feel it is worth it when they at least take the time to procees the information and acknowledge it.  Unfortunately no matter how sure I am about the said officers in my arguments having been good officers he will not accept their mistake.  Fortunately it is not his opinion that matters but that of the people who worked with these officers.  

As for BJ, well there will always be people like him in life and all one can do is try to help them learn or ignore them, the latter will however, always continue to contribute to their ignorance.  For the record, BJ, while a person's spelling is a good indicator of their level of intelligence, people should be open enough to know that some VERY intelligent people are in fact bad spellers and even some very good spellers occasionally misspell a word or two.  While BJ has mastered the ability to use a spell checker and dictionary, lets hope he one day masters the ability to use common sense.

Have a safe and happy weekend.

DIMAS,

I must congratulate you, I think you actually got BJ to think before he speaks. Your a more patient man than I am I gave up on him after my third post. LOL
But I must admit I still have faith in BJ that he will make a triumphant comeback. LMFAO