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Ladies and Gentlemen.

The quote above is the "bottom line" of exactly what this website is about.  The losers who have made a life of posting here shroud themselves in righteousness indignation over the polygraph communities' "constant stream of victims."  They rant on false positives and false negatives.  They attack on grounds ranging from polygraph research, to countermeasures, to violation of rights to privacy.

But it is ALL a smokescreen...

It is in the last line of the paragraph above the truth most closely resides.  These people intensely believe their "right to privacy" means they have an inherent right to lie, conceal, and deceive, and that the government, police, authorities, have no right to get to the truth under any circumstances or by any means.  Truth is, with one notable exception, the anti-polygraph people on this site are dedicated to the elimination of any form of lie detection, present or future.  In fact, the more promising a new technology or method, the more intensely these people fight.

The reason for this behavior is quite simple to understand once one stands back and looks at it in the light of day.  Like the person quoted at the top of this message, these people NEED to lie, deceive, and conceal, to get what they want (jobs, property, access to victims in a myriad of forms).  They strongly fear being caught in a lie then explode into volcanoes of righteous fury when they are in fact, caught.  Like many others in our narcissistic society, these people have an "entitlement mentality."  They childishly believe the advantages of life are due them and cannot handle the plain fact that one MUST PAY for the things one has done in life...

If you have done drugs, you DON'T get the job...
If you stole the money, you will LOSE the job...
If you molest kids again, you WILL go back to prison...

I make no apoligies for having dedicated my life to making sure society is protected from YOU.

Yes, over the years I have put many of YOU into prison, have kept many of YOU from getting assess to classified information, badges and guns, positions of trust, and...

The innocent who cannot otherwise defend themselves from YOU.

I am quite proud to be called your "enemy."

PDD=Fed...

   

PDD-Fed,

If you are as smart as you would have yourself believe, why can't you take a look at the whole story "in the light of day" and admitt that not all antipoly people here are liers, rapists, theives or drugs users with something to hide.   Or are you so far gone that after years of law enforcement, dealing with the scum of society day in and day out, you subconsciously project your paranoia that everyone who is not a cop must be a bad guy? 

Remove those rose colored glasses they seem to hand all you polygraphers at graduation, take some of your own advise and subjectively and intelligently look and the overwhelming tones of antipoly posters here.  To me there seems to be a consensus that the poly is denying quite a few people of their rights and dreams due to the high false positive failure rate.   

Yes, yes there are people who are going to use the information contained within this site and it's posts to doop your machine and pass when they should probably be put behind bars.  However, what makes you the almighty judge and jury that gets to decide my fate when I went into the poly, told the 100% truth and was still labelled a lier.   

It is people like myself, that know for fact they were telling the truth, got labelled deceptive by one persons word and are given no path of recourse to appeal that decision.  Am I supposed to take one for the team?  Put the needs of the many in front of the needs of the few?  This is the United States and Canada, both of which were supposed to be democracys last time I checked.  You are damned right I am pissed and "exploded into a volcano of righteous fury" when I was told I was not telling the truth when I knew I was.   
 
If after browsing through these posts, you still maintain that all of us are liers, thieves, rapists and drug users so be it.  You made it, you passed the poly and fulfilled your dream of law enforcement.  You are afforded the priviledge to look down on everyone else and pass your jaded judgement onto all.  Be as proud as you want to call yourself our enemy.   

If getting into law enforcement meant I too would have become as soured, bitter and jaded towards the rest of society as yourself, then I am quite proud to have not passed your test.  Thanks for doing your job and thanks for posting your views.  It helps ease the pain of not becoming a cop.  You just made me feel that much better that I see people and life in a little more positive light than yourself.  I am going home tonight to have a nice relaxing dinner and hold my wife on the couch.  You go home tonight, in paranoia that the world is full of rapist, drug dealers, liers and thieves and see who sleeps better.  Sweet dreams.

Canadian Crusader,

Well said!

I'm preparing to cross-examine the world renowned Dr. Charles Honts, he is currently the top of his field which is polygraphy.  He claims that its difficult to beat the machine, however, over the years he has studied many "counter measures" i.e. ways to beat the lie detector.  His most noted study involved having the person pressing on his toes during the controled questions, not the relevant ones; also biting your tongue between the questions; those are two of the physical counter measures one can try, a mental measure is counting slowly backwards from seven between questions.  His research showed that 50% of those who practiced these exercises for less than 30 minutes passed or beat the machine.  Dr. Honts has methons to counter these counters for instance, he has a guage under the chair to measure a shift in weight if the person pushes on his toes.  Look up his work and also that of Dr. Raskin in various countermeasures.

Guest,

I don't think you're going to find too many sympathetic ears offering up pointers on how to lie your way through a polygraph.  Given the serious nature of your offense (injecting an illegal substance into your body), you might want to opt for another line of work.   

Good luck.

Kona

There are people in law enforcement that got there after taking pre-employment polys right now who lie, cheat, steal, assault, murder and break a variety of other laws, but a guy who used steroids in the past is a bad man?

Kona wrote on May 2^nd, 2004 at 3:23am:


You're right, my fault and pardon my eloquence.

I guess my point goes back to the reason this board is here, to debate the before mentioned tests.

All I'm saying is that a guy who passes a poly is not always a good person and a guy who fails a poly is not always a bad person.