Quote:I-Smell-BS,
Well, I smell polygrapher ! It is so obvious that most
negative posts are coming from those that this site
might put out of a job. One post, of such, was even
caught coming from the DoDPI. After taking five
polys, and told that I passed (I knew not to ask), and
having taken a number of polys over the years, the
polygrapher made a very good point - the the poly
can't tell the difference between a lie, and just a
reaction, but can tell if the person has some sort of
issue with a question. After the test was over, he
asked me, if I had used counter-measures. I had
nothing to hide, and would not on moral grounds. It
obviously is up to the individual, whether or not to
use them - trying to beat a lie, or out of fear of a
false positive. If a person has been polyed a number
of times, and had previously not used
counter-measures, then any attempt to spike the
contol questions would be obvious. This site is
invaluable to those that are new to polys, in order to
realize the games that go one. Polygraphs are
obviously unfair, since many truthful individuals are
branded as liers, or as being deceptive. Since most
spies are looking for financial gains, why not make
individuals, going for security clearances, turn over
financial statements ? I do have one suggestion, for
the polygraphers - try being honest with your subjects,
for once they know YOU are being deceptive, and trust
is broken, you have made your job that much harder
(the tactics do work with those that have no idea what
is going on). The tit-for-tat, that goes on here, is the
real B.S....
Bigdaddy1,
Whether you learned anything from my polygraph experience or not, will remain a mystery.
There were no relevant issues that concerned me during my polygraph exam. I decided to employ polygraph countermeasures to reduce the risk of a false positive result.
It can be debated whether or not the use of countermeasures actually disqualified me… or, was it the “too good to be true” result of my polygraph charts that actually prompted the suspicion of the FBI DC polygraph lab that inevitably lead to me being disqualified…?? You’re entitled to your own personal opinion.
With respect to your question relating to the polygraph examiner winning the $5,000.00 for detecting countermeasures during my exam; perhaps you should re-read my post. The polygraph examiner did not detect any countermeasures during the first or second polygraph exam. The polygraph examiner actually told me that I did fine following my first polygraph exam, and even went as far as telling me that he did not note any problems in “any areas” during my polygraph exam. It was the FBI DC polygraph lab that suspected countermeasures, and they requested that I be re-tested.
Unfortunately, the polygraph examiner does not get the 10k you referenced, there were no polygraph countermeasures noted or detected during my re-test.
You implied that if I had not employed cm’s, and had no relevant issues, that I may have passed my first polygraph exam. Perhaps this is true had I not employed the cm’s. I will honestly never know for sure. There were no relevant issues that I was trying to hide, lie about, or cover up. I was simply trying to reduce the risk of a false positive result.
I’m not going to respond to your metaphor about someone getting a 98%, 100%, or a 0% on testing, cheating, etc…
[You wrote]
“Its unfortunate people who don't need to do cm's get caught up in this urban myth.”
There is no myth regarding false positive results with respect to polygraph testing. If I’m not mistaken, false positive results are addressed and acknowledged by the DODPI.
[You wrote]
“Everyone has caught on George.”
What is it that everyone is catching on to? Please be a little more specific.
False positive results are not uncommon. Simply telling the truth is no guarantee of passing a polygraph exam.
The truth still remains, even had I not employed polygraph countermeasures, there is still a 50/50 chance I would not have passed.
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