It really disturbs me that you want to be a police officer, a position of integrity and responsibility and yet here you are asking for help on cheating and lying to get the job.  What would you do to convict a suspect?  I can understand wanting something so bad, yet is this really the way to start off trying to get it, maybe it would be better to try a dept or agency that did not do the polygraph for applicants then after you prove your integrity and responsibility, you could advance to a diferent postion somewhere else.  Just a thought.

Thanks for your personal opinion jconleymo but I’m not here to justify my integrity to you.  I’m a professional in my current field which requires a great deal of integrity, responsibility and respect.  To be honest I’m not concerned about how you feel about my ambitions either. I guess it’s my fault for posting my inentions and I apologize for that.

My questions still stand though.  Are there common reactions that most people experience during an examination?  Are there CM methods that have been proven to be more effective over others?

Duh, I am the same person.  And as you might also note I have issues w/ somebody trying to justify lying to get a job that should have a high degree of integrity and high standards of honesty.  I am not trying to hide who I am.  I am proud of who I am and what I believe in and stand for.  Thank you.

I did not intentionally post under the "where is the integrity" id the first time.  It was a response to a post and I did not log in so I chose this id.  Each post by me has the same email address and if that is confusing to somebody, I can see why they might have trouble w/ a lie detector test.  I am not going to argue w/ you any further on such a pettty and childish issue though.  If you would like to have a converstaion on the real issue as opposed to my shortcomings on posting etiquette I would be interested in that.  I find it interesting that when somebody is criticized they start attacking anything they can find instead of looking  at their own actions.  I am curious to find out what happens next, will people want to talk about integrity or attack the person that brought integrity to the table. Please dont send any corrections on misspelling or grammer.  I am not writting this for a grade.
Thank you,
John Conley
jconleymo@earthlink.net
aka:  where is the integrity

John,

Ok... to the substance of things then...who is worse or more blameworthy...the polygraph examiner who lies each and every time he/she administers an exam (look at the DoDPI Law Enforcement Pre-Employment Polygraph document (see the antipolygraph.org home page for the link) if you doubt the truth of this assertion) or the innocent examinee who utilizes countermeasures and lies about his knowledge of same in an effort to protect him/herself from the harm caused by a completeless worthless and non-valid "test"?

Anonymous,  this is part of the problem.  You are trying to take two issuse and make them one to justify something that is not right.  The issue is not who is worse, it is about integrity.   The issue is the integrity of the person that is lying and cheating to pass an exam to enter a profession where honesty, integrity, and standards are of utmost importance.    The issue of the lie detector person or test is moot here, whatever your feelings on that subject.  I am talking about a person that feels any means necessary to obtain that type of position are ok.  People have cited cases of incidnets where somebody has passed many test and gone on to be a very bad person and dangerous but were not weeded out by the polygraph and its possible they used some of the counter measures offered from this site.  Do you think they ever told anybody that they were a bad person or that they never did anything wrong.  They most proably did claim innocence at many times during their life, did that make them innnocent?  So what does that say about the person that claims they are innocent but they have to lie and cheat to pass the polygraph so they can get to a position that in its essence is all about intetrigty and honesty?  It says to me that that person believes they are more important than the job they are applying for and that if they ever hit a stumbling block they will look at whatever means necesary to surpass it wether it be legal or not.  I do not want that type of person protecting me or accusing me of something.  That is scary and should make everybody uncomfortable.  The issue of the polygraph is seperate from this issue.  If you want to fight the validity and use of the polygraph do so, but don;t do so by means that stain the standards of that profession.  There are enough issues out there already that give professional law enforcement officials a bad reputation. 

John Conley
jconleymo@earthlink.net
aka:  where is the integrity

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Annie, I have never seen such a poorly constucted, convoluted, pair of complex sentences in my life.  As one who continually criticizes other people's "diction" you should be ashamed. ???