George,

I wouldn't in the polygraph for "wrongly" accusing you of lying during your exams.  Fine...but this is just one more example of the absolute distain I have for you and your "mission" to condone, no even advocate the use of countermeasures (assuming that's how this guy "passed", since the article states he "duped" the polygraph).

The lives of 500+ Americans have died in this OEF in Iraq, possibly based on faulty intelligence from someone employing that very techniques you encourage....Sleep well George and you others "cheering" the use of countermeasures!!

Argue the poloygraph is not fool-proof...any Examiner will agree with you.  Argue that you had been wrongly found to be "lying".  But see for yourself the dangers and waste of life for your banner waving for countermeasures.

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Lie Chazer,

You've got to be shitting me.  That has got to be one of the most inane, stupid, moronic, ignorant, idiotic statements that I have ever read here on antipolygraph. org.   

Let me see if I have this straight......the lives of 500+ brave American fighting men lost in Iraq are possibly George's responsibility because of countermeasures taught and encouraged in TLBTLD, that may have been employed by Iraqi POWs, that may have supplied "faulty intelligence?"  Is this the crux of your post?  I am at a loss for words, and that doesn't happen too often.   

Like Bushido said, your anger is misdirected.  Maybe you should be pissed off at our government's utter reliance and faith in this quackery as the holy grail for determining whether a person is telling the truth or not.

I think you owe George an apology.

Kona

Bob Drogin and Greg Miller have written a follow-up article titled, "Iraqi Defector's Tales Bolstered U.S. Case for War"  that was publised in the Los Angeles Times on 28 March 2004. The article doesn't mention polygraphs, but adds context to pre-war intelligence on supposed Iraqi mobile bioweapons labs. Note that the defector who is the main subject of this article, an informant for Germany's Bundesnachrichtendienst [Federal Intelligence Service] (BND), is not the fabricator who fed bogus information to the DIA and passed a polygraph (who is also mentioned in the article):

http://www.latimes.com/la-fg-curveball28mar28,1,1470551,print.story

Abe,

I have no way of knowing (or even speculating) whether the fabricator employed polygraph countermeasures or not, let alone what sort of countermeasures. As for the specific type of polygraph "test" to which the fabricator would have most likely been subjected, I believe it to be some form of probable-lie "control" question "test."

What do you mean by "the advanced [countermeasure] techniques taught by intelligence experts?" I am not familiar with these.

ISBS,

It is true that I have never employed the polygraph countermeasures described in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and that I "failed" two polygraph "tests" (even though I told the truth). Indeed, it was this experience of being falsely accused of deception that inspired me to educate myself about polygraphy.

The countermeasure information provided in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is hardly "speculation." It's based on extensive research of the polygraph literature and is well-annotated with citations that skeptical readers may check for themselves.

The fact that we have made such information publicly available and free is obviously disturbing to you and others in the polygraph community. Paul Menges, who teaches the countermeasures course for polygraphers at DoDPI, has gone so far as to suggest that making such information available to the public should be outlawed. Obviously, he is more than a little concerned about that which you would have readers believe is nothing more than "speculation."

I might add here that the profanity-strewn posts you've been making on this message board, your constant resort to name calling and other ad hominem arguments instead of rational debate, and your general lack of civility toward others do not reflect well upon the polygraph "profession."

I, for one, can state that countermeasures work. I owe my knowledge of using countermeasures and how successful (translated: undetectable) they are to assholes like you, Mr. You-are-the-BS, because of the "deception indicated" (false positives) your fellow assholes gave me.