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Reply #45 - Aug 12th, 2005 at 9:12am
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The talk in polygraph circles is that you also failed a polygraph examination conducted by CIA (and possibly one by the LAPD).  Is this information incorrect? 


To those of us that have been the oh so rare, induced, solicited, caused, purposeful, incited false positive I ask of which circle do you speak?  The circle of tyrants?
  
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Reply #46 - Aug 14th, 2005 at 3:26am
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Nonombre,

Can you let us in on anything else that is spoken of in “polygraph circles”?  It would seem to me that a polygraph examiner making negative comments about George doesn’t make George look bad – it makes the examiner look bad instead.

I still can’t help but think that if polygraphy was a scientifically valid test then no one would give a rat’s ass about who was speaking out against it or what they were saying.  

As I have mentioned before, part of my job as a police officer involves traffic crash reconstruction.  If there was a web site claiming that the speed of a vehicle could not be determined by measuring the yaw mark it left on the road prior to hitting a tree, I wouldn’t give a moment’s thought to it.  Newtonian physics can stand the heat because they are valid scientific principles.  

I couldn’t care less if someone put up a web site advising people to play certain songs on their car radio or paint their car blue in order to foul up the yaw mark measurements – I might laugh at it but it certainly wouldn’t bother me.  

Why are so many polygraph examiners so upset with the web site in general and with George in particular?
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Reply #47 - Aug 14th, 2005 at 7:02am
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3 of my 4 FBI polygraphers told me that George has confessed to lying about things and that this is a matter of record. so it seems he is quite legendary in at least FBI circles
  
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Reply #48 - Aug 14th, 2005 at 7:21am
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3 of my 4 FBI polygraphers told me that George has confessed to lying about things and that this is a matter of record. so it seems he is quite legendary in at least FBI circles



and I suspect that is why this antipolygraph "movement" has never picked up any steam in places like congress (where it really matters).  I believe that at the end of the day, when the witnesses leave the chamber, Mr. Mashke's dossier is tossed on the table, read by  the committee members, and he and his minions are summarily and appropriately dismissed.
  
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Re: Too Hot of a Potato
Reply #49 - Aug 14th, 2005 at 7:22am
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3 of my 4 FBI polygraphers told me that George has confessed to lying about things and that this is a matter of record. so it seems he is quite legendary in at least FBI circles

If anyone has read the personal statement of “Police Sergeant” on the home page of this web site, you would have seen that it was also reported to my agency that I had confessed to lying.  In my situation they were told I confessed to lying about stealing army equipment.  It simply wasn’t true, but the report was twisted around enough so it sounded plausible.  I didn’t get that job.  A “confession” in a polygraph examination is not always what a reasonable person would deem a confession in any other setting.

Needless to say, hearing that FBI polygraph examiners believe George confessed to lying doesn’t mean a whole lot to me.

Even if George lied on every single answer that doesn’t change the basic accuracy of the polygraph; I know from my own experience that the polygraph is inaccurate to the point of uselessness.  When the polygraph community answers questions about their profession with personal attacks they discredit themselves as well as their side of the argument.
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Reply #50 - Aug 15th, 2005 at 8:45am
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Bill,

Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I never confessed to lying because I did not lie. Moreover, my FBI file, which I obtained under the Privacy Act (minus my polygraph charts, which the FBI avers it cannot locate), contains no such allegation.

If anyone else has been told by a polygraph examiner that I confessed to lying, I would be grateful if you would provide me the details (individual making the allegation, agency involved, what was specifically was said, etc.).
  

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Re: Too Hot of a Potato
Reply #51 - Aug 15th, 2005 at 11:44am
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nonombre wrote on Aug 14th, 2005 at 7:21am:



and I suspect that is why this antipolygraph "movement" has never picked up any steam in places like congress (where it really matters).  I believe that at the end of the day, when the witnesses leave the chamber, Mr. Mashke's dossier is tossed on the table, read by  the committee members, and he and his minions are summarily and appropriately dismissed.

If Congressman had any balls whatsoever, they'd (in an undercover capacity of course) apply for a job that required a Polygraph.  If all 535 did this, I'm sure we'd see some traction.
  
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Re: Too Hot of a Potato
Reply #52 - Aug 16th, 2005 at 7:00am
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            Your recent last two posts regarding why are so many polygraph examiners upset with this web site and how certain polygraphists seem to spend so much time on this board posting personal attacks while at the same time discrediting themselves, is by far, one of the best responses I've seen to date. 

  Surely, out of the many thousands of viewers who read this site, more than one person must have figured this out by now. If the polygraph testing system is "supposedly" so "accurate," then we wouldn't see one objectionable posting from anyone within the polygraph community. Instead, they would just laugh it off as a bunch of paranoid fools seeking answers and justification out of something to hide. It just tells me, they're defensive for all the reasons we, as an impartial, intelligent, suspicious, logical thinking human species have suspected all along.   

And Nonombre, I sincerely hope you don't think this is in any way a personal attack against you as a polygraphist, as this is not my intent. If you feel offended that the majority of posters on this site haven't bought into the "big lie," my apologies, but I'm sure you can understand the obvious concern regarding validity and credibility to the "profession."   

  As for your posts, personally, I find them quite beneficial and very informative. I really do. I must commend you for stepping up the plate in genuine objectionable arguments, when others in your community would rather sit back, read and not participate in the topics presented. I sincerely believe your contributions to this site are an asset to the discussion in general, which makes very interesting reading.   

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Reply #53 - May 16th, 2006 at 10:56pm
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Hi there..!!!

After reading the whole article:

http://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-003.shtml

I can only say that I'm very impress with George qualifications..!!! He's a real asset for the INTEL community.

If the FBI founds any deceptions/lies in anyones exam, why not conduct a deeper BI...??? In the case of the drug questions, if they found "deception" Why they do not conduct a Urine/Blood analisys...??? 

I was also checking the web site of this Jacko Trimarco http://www.jacktrimarco.com/ ; what a poser...!!!!

He must be ashame of being such a liar and now profiting of his lie-machine...!!!


I think the FBI is a great agency but jokers like this Trimarco guy and all the other Polygraphers give the agency a bad reputation. Pitty..... Sad


  
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Reply #54 - Jul 20th, 2006 at 6:34pm
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this guy trimaco has his own tv showw lol.. all about deception tas funny
  

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Reply #55 - Jun 13th, 2008 at 11:45pm
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In 1992 I was accused of stealing $600 cash from The Lane County Custody Referee's Office. I didn't do it, but someone did. I eagerly took a polygraph test to clear myself and to encourage the detectives to find the real thief. Well, I flunked. I hired an independant tester and he told me to never take a polygraph again. During this entire crisis, I was hysterical, not a good test subject. I lost my job, my career and my future in the justice system because of this horrible experience. I've never gotten over it because they never arrrested the person who did this to me in the first place. I was never trusted again and I was so tramatized, I never took a job that involved handling money for fear of being framed again.
It's been 16 years now. I plan on taking another polygraph test just to see if it will work now that time has calmed me down.
This experience changed the course of my life in so many ways, I cannot begin to explain it all here. Besides it's still too painful. 
I feel compassion for all people who have been falsely accused.
Thank you for this chat. It helps to know I'm not alone.
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Reply #56 - Jun 14th, 2008 at 2:35am
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I plan on taking another polygraph test just to see if it will work now that time has calmed me down.


The polygraphers who come to this board swear up and down that a person failing the test while telling the truth is a very infrequent thing.  Of course, they are full of crap, and have nothing but horse pucky to back that up.

The polygraph hasn't really changed.  It was bogus 16 years ago, and it is bogus now.

It is not a test, but an interrogation disguised as a test.  The machine is just a prop they use to intimidate people.  The more you believe in the test, the more likely you are to fail.  Conversely, if you are totally convinced the test is a sham, you will be less like to fall for their crap.  It is similar to going to a used car lot armed with a ton of knowledge, versus going there knowing nothing about cars, or pressure sales tactics.

For what purpose are you taking another polygraph?

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Reply #57 - Jun 19th, 2008 at 4:09pm
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Irishgeek wrote on May 16th, 2006 at 10:56pm:
Hi there..!!!

After reading the whole article:

http://antipolygraph.org/statements/statement-003.shtml

I can only say that I'm very impress with George qualifications..!!! He's a real asset for the INTEL community.

If the FBI founds any deceptions/lies in anyones exam, why not conduct a deeper BI...??? In the case of the drug questions, if they found "deception" Why they do not conduct a Urine/Blood analisys...??? 

I was also checking the web site of this Jacko Trimarco http://www.jacktrimarco.com/  what a poser...!!!!

He must be ashame of being such a liar and now profiting of his lie-machine...!!!


I think the FBI is a great agency but jokers like this Trimarco guy and all the other Polygraphers give the agency a bad reputation. Pitty..... Sad

http://www.jacktrimarco.com/images/polygraph_r1_c1.jpg


Personally, I never trust anyone with divergent left eye syndrome.
  
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Reply #58 - Jun 15th, 2011 at 12:10am
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My heart really goes out to you, your's is an epic tragedy, my friend.  I trust you know you are hardly the first patriot to be wrongfully chewed-up and spat-out by the system.  I hope your life has become positive, and you are surrounded by love and happiness. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #59 - Jun 15th, 2011 at 7:43am
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Hello All,

Just to throw in my two cents, I posted my own polygraph experience on another thread ONLY because I did not understand the result.  I had no intention of being deceptive, nor was I deceptive, yet was told I failed.  I have no idea why.  I came here looking for answers after the fact, primarily because as a former LEO it bothers me when my integrity gets questioned, made worse by the fact I am accused of being a liar by someone who is either themselves lying, or is an idiot with a bunch of squiggles on a chart interpreted as lying, either way preventing me from currently being employed at an agency when otherwise I am well qualified to work there.

In my case, I've been through a police BI before including a polygraph.  I passed.  I was not concerned or worried about taking a polygraph.  I figured they are pretty accurate, even if not scientifically worthy to use in court.   

The food for thought here is:
1) Why would I have taken a polygraph if I thought I would fail?
2) Having been through the backgrounds process before, why would I have intentionally concealed or lied about something KNOWING I would get polygraphed on it?
3) If I had lied and gotten caught, why wouldn't I have just slipped back into the ether and gone "oh well"?

Since attacks against my integrity and credibility bother me, I came here seeking answers.  I've actually received some good information from people on these forums, including some from a guy claiming to be a polygraph examiner, informing me that the way they conducted my test was the wrong way to do it.  He even advised me on how to file complaints.

I'm not saying every polygraph chart is wrong, or every polygraph examiner is bad, but something seriously went wrong with mine.  A test conducted improperly, had very real negative implications on my life.  That is why I'm here learning and talking about it.

It is very sad yet oddly comforting to know I am not the only one this has happened to.  I can also assure all of you, that since I started asking around, there is at least ten more people like me floating around just in my circle of acquaintances.  If this polygraph test really works then freaking fix it so it doesn't keep destroying people, or let it go, because if it doesn't really work then you guys need to get real jobs and stop screwing with mine. 
  
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