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bubba Guest	2nd Poly Results Oct 27^th, 2003 at 10:38pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello all, Friday I recieved my result letter from the FBI with regard to my 2nd Polygraph. To no surprise it stated that I didn't meet the required acceptable limits. In an earlier post I discussed the actual session and with the help of this sites senior users determined that this was a case of false positives. Now I am more than willing to say the hell with the FBI and move on, but in earlier posts I noticed that this fiasco could have the domino affect if I were to apply for position elsewhere in government. Now I know that there is a grievance procedure to poly's but I also noticed that for false positive cases there isn't much help. Truly I could care less about the FBI now, but If this BS procedure to pre-employment affects me to not recieve consideration from other agencies that makes me irrate (putting it mildly). I intend to put into place the grievance procedures that is in the Truth about Lie's book. But to me getting my information from the DOJ and writing to the Bureau doesn't seem to be enough. Suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Bubba.


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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #1 - Oct 29^th, 2003 at 3:58am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Bubba Looks like no one is going to respond, so I will the only way that I know how. If you have read my posts, then you know that I advocate filing a court action to make them prove that you were not truthful. You don't stand a chance in hell of working for any other federal agency because they pass around your failed poly results. You will have to do this in order to regain your integrity.


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6210 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #2 - Oct 29^th, 2003 at 9:56am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Bubba, You might consider joining the others who are suing various federal agencies over their pre-employment polygraph policies: http://antipolygraph.org/litigation.shtml#zaid Mark S. Zaid is representing the plaintiffs in this litigation. You can reach him at (202) 223-9050.

	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.) E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Wire: @ap_org Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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bubba New User Offline Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2003	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #3 - Oct 29^th, 2003 at 8:23pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I've got another question If you don't mind. Will persuing this as a legal matter, What kind of cost's would be incurred? Because I barely able to make ends meat for my family. As much as I'd like to rip them a new hole if it takes money to do it, my hands a tied. I do thank you for the advise. Bubba


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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #4 - Oct 29^th, 2003 at 11:04pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	bubba Check your area for pro bono legal assistance. A paralegal could, also, help you make the complaint to file pro se. They charge about 30 dollars an hour. They just can't give you legal advise. Neither can I. All law firms employ paralegals to do their research. A paralegal can show you how to do your own research. In federal court, where this is the venue, it will cost $150. to file your complaint. If you file a complaint, then bone up on jurisprudence for your courtroom arguments. I do most of my research on google.com. On some sites there are instructions on how to file pro se. Could be wrong, but I believe findlaw has one. Go for it, bud. You can do it. As an afterthought, you might check with your local ACLU. If they wont take your case, they can sure show you how to make your complaint.


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peterpan New User Offline Posts: 7 Location: New York, New York Joined: Sep 28^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #5 - Oct 31^st, 2003 at 1:11am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Bubba, unfortunately, you and I are in the same boat, so I know how you may feel. I recieved my 2nd poly results the other day, the "thanks but no thanks" letter. Nedless to say, I don't have very nice words for the FBI. The FBI preemployment polygraph screening is nothing but complete BS!!! I wish I would have found this site before my original poly exam because I think I failed this exam based on my previous score. My second examiner told me that I passed (who's the liar now!) Sorry, about this post, I am still quite angry. Bubba, I hope that everything works out for you.


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shafted New User Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Oct 8^th, 2003	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #6 - Nov 1^st, 2003 at 12:53am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Hello gang, I failed my poly as well and am looking to get a retest. How long did it take you guys to get a letter from DC after the initial test. Did you wait for the letter or write requesting a retest right away? Also if Bubba and/or peterpan could personal message me, I would appreciate it. I have a couple of questions to ask of you.


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peterpan New User Offline Posts: 7 Location: New York, New York Joined: Sep 28^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #7 - Nov 2^nd, 2003 at 2:25am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I requested it right away and my request was granted within a couple of months. Don't make the mistake of thinking that there are reasonable people at HQ. They are all idiots to believe in the polygraph....and even if they tell you that you passed, you may end up failing like me


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6210 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #8 - Nov 3^rd, 2003 at 10:42am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	The people at FBI HQ are not idiots. They know full well that the polygraph is highly unreliable. But they find it expedient. That FBI HQ relies on the pseudoscience of polygraphy, knowing that in the process they are falsely branding large numbers of truthful applicants as liars based on no evidence whatsoever, points to an ethical deficit, not an intellectual one. Those responsible for the FBI's polygraph policy are not without intelligence: they are without honor.
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	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.) E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Wire: @ap_org Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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bubba New User Offline Posts: 6 Joined: Oct 27^th, 2003	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #9 - Nov 4^th, 2003 at 1:13am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I would tend to agree with George's comment. I don't think that one idiot thought up this process. I would tend to believe the bean counters told the higher up's that investigation costs them way too much. As with some posting on this site about their way to weed out people to save money. All in all I would also agree with George about their honor. In so much that we read and hear in publications about the FBI (even that fact that more and more TV shows are being started with the FBI in mind), they are trying to portray a agency with integrity and honor. But if that were true there would be no place for the poly in pre-employment. bubba


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Alf Guest	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #10 - Nov 12^th, 2003 at 5:07am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	>How long did it take you guys to get a letter from DC after the initial test. Did you wait for the letter or write requesting a retest right away? I was called about 1 week after my first to schedule the 2nd. It was 2 weeks after my 2nd that I received my "thanks but no thanks" letter. At least peterpan had a different polygrapher; having the same one seems ridiculous to me.


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peterpan New User Offline Posts: 7 Location: New York, New York Joined: Sep 28^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: 2nd Poly Results Reply #11 - Nov 12^th, 2003 at 4:21pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Alf, I requested a retest (via mail; return recipt) as soon as I recieved my letter stating that "I was not in the perimeters..." It took a couple of weeks to get a reply. I had to go in for another informal interview and he said his main goal was to find out if I was sincere. A couple of weeks later, I recieved a call inviting me to another polygraph. In my letter, I requested a different polygrapher. I guess you know the rest of the story.....


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