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Reply #60 - Aug 17th, 2003 at 11:28pm
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On one hand I commend you for your advice (or lack thereof) to Huxley.  In that short period of time I thought maybe you aren't as bad as I've envisioned.  Then you turn right around and confirm all I've ever thought.  Why would you call a police officer who is trying to rid the world of child sexual predators a "pervert?"  Does that type of law enforcement operation offend you?  Hmmmm. ???
  
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Reply #61 - Aug 17th, 2003 at 11:42pm
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Did you at least have the decency to meet at a place other than a Motel 6?
  
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Reply #62 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 5:46am
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Hotel 6? I only stay in the best! Hotel De La Chardier in Canada, the Hotel Del Coronado on Coronado Island. The Hyatt in Tokyo. Don't even go there dude, your below me at best no matter what your "righteous" position may be.

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Reply #63 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 6:36am
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Saidme,
There are two sides of the issue you must look at when it comes to police officers posing as underage children looking for sex.
I knew a local detective who's job it was to do so.  He talked to hundreds, sometimes thousands of men on the internet posing as a thirteen year old nympho before he finally caught someone.  He ended up getting a guy from out of state on a first offense for crossing state lines with the intention of having sex with a minor.
Let's look at the pros and cons of this.
Pro:  The police officer prevented a potential future meeting of a willing, sexually active young girl and a sexually deviant man.  The outcome of that sitation would have probably ended in sex between the individuals.
Cons:1)  The police officer basically caused hundreds of thousands of men online to think that there are actually thirteen-year-old girls online looking for sex with older men.  This was a falsity, that probably in itself led to the perpetuation of the crime the police officer was trying to stop.  It probably got some men curious and led them to keep looking for young girls online.
2)  The police officer hooked a man on a first time offense, a man who might have never committed the crime if he had never had the chance.  We are all potential theives walking around.  What would you do if you found a million dollars sitting all alone in a open, country field.  If you took a single dollar you would be a thief.  Why don't police officers just to that?  Why don't they leave money laying in the streets and wait in the shadows for someone to pick it up and arrest them for theft?  Because it would obviously be entrapment and would be wrong. 

Your an idealist Saidme.  It is obvious from what you write.  I used to be like you.  But through life experience and through mistakes of my own I have come to realize not everything is black and white.
There are grey zones out there and the justice system is full of them. 

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Reply #64 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 8:07am
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OkieBoy, you "hit the nail on the head".
There is a "feeding frenzy" out there, to bad for those who had a cheating wife with a younger guy and one who wanted to "one up 'er". Nuff said.

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Reply #65 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 5:04pm
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Saidme,
Naturally, I don't live for the day I get your "seal of approval", so your comments don't bother me. OkieBoy has done a good job, but I will add to it.
Anybody who pretends to be a minor and engages in sexual discussions with adults has a mental problem. The fact that they do it under the guise of law enforcement does not change that. The Internet is rife with "teen" chat rooms that have no teens in them, only 40 year-old cops pretending to be teenagers. The true "sexual predators" out there aren't stupid enough to frequent these chat rooms, so I see the whole thing as a waste of resources. There is enough crime in the world without the police creating new ones.
For the record, I'm also opposed to cops pretending to be prostitutes so they can bust johns, cops confiscating drugs and then re-selling them to bust buyers, etc.
  

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Reply #66 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 8:16pm
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I'm surprised that cops don't just set up fake red-lights that never turn green.  Then they could hide in the shadows and bust those people who run the red light.

Sort of reminds me of that recent "terrorist" the CIA busted and Curious George Bush's war on Iraq.
The CIA went to a retired arms dealer, played the part of a guy interested in buying the weapon and then played the part of a guy who had the weapon to sell to the arms dealer.  So they successfuly inticed the guy to come out of retirement.  And after the bust the Curious George administration wants everyone to feel safer because a battle had been won against terrorism????!!!!
And don't even get me started on Iraq and Curious Georgie's Weapons of Mass Imagination.  

  
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Reply #67 - Aug 18th, 2003 at 9:36pm
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You write:  "The fact that they do it under the guise of law enforcement does not change that."

Your statement leads one to believe that law enforcement officers are really doing their job to get their jollies as opposed to putting sexual predators in jail. 

You're pretty much anti anything.  Maybe George can create an anti cop website which is probably more in line what you're looking for.  You're a complete bonehead.

George

Doesn't it bother you just a bit when you see the caliber of people you attract to your ludicrous view?
  
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Reply #68 - Aug 19th, 2003 at 12:16am
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Your statement leads one to believe that law enforcement officers are really doing their job to get their jollies as opposed to putting sexual predators in jail.
I have no doubt that there are many of these "psuedo-kids" that are doing just that. Ditto the "child-pornography searchers", who spend their days looking at the vilest pornography around in the name of "justice". "Protect and Serve" my as_. They're sick.
It is a cop's job to catch that predator molesting or attempting to molest a child. It is not their job to "create" a crime for the predator to commit.
I am not "anti-cop", as you state. Some of my best friends are cops, and I lunch regularly with two detectives locally. Guess what. They happen to agree with me. They do a fantastic job, and they do it the old-fashioned way. Oh, and they don't do polygraphs, and never will. Nor do they run "sting" operations, with the exception of opening a pawn shop for a few months just to see what people came in with.
You continue to show your total lack of intelligence in your posts. Keep it up, because the laughs are great.
  

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Reply #69 - Aug 19th, 2003 at 5:23am
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I really hate to say this, but it’s not cops getting jollies or protecting the street. Plain and simple, they found out there is a gold mine in internet entrapments where the “felon” knows good and well to fight it is likened to defending  religious beliefs during the Salem witch trails. Shut up, do your legal “bribery” and go about your business.  I know that the “city” where I was lead to has a statistically biased rate of “protecting” children from sexual predators. I am still working on the class action suite approach, but I need to wait for them to get really greedy for the almighty $$$.  Current calculations from that town would indicate around 13 million US citizens are sexual predators. And by the other stats I have seen, there should be 40,000,000 missing children per year in that case.

Sad thing is the real offenders are more common sense I feel and are getting  by with it while others are placed into the system to line their pockets.

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Reply #70 - Sep 8th, 2003 at 10:46pm
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But isn't that what all law is truly about....just another form of taxation?
Why else would there be a seatbelt law?
Do you really think those jar-heads who work for the highway patrol care whether you live or die in a car crash?
No.
But they do care about raking in as much money through ticketing as they can.  They do care about having the power they have over the commoner.
My cousin is in the highway patrol and out of all my relatives he is the one with the lowest I.Q.
He is the epitomy of dumb, country red-neck who has never read a novel in his life and doesn't even know what an art museum is.  But he is out there cruising around with his dumb, red-neck buddies who joined the O.H.P. and giving people a hard time over not wearing their seatbelts.
  
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Reply #71 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 2:13am
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I kind of disagree, I think most people who become HP or policepersons really want to help and serve. Problem is that there is a darker sort out there much worse than the current priest issue. 

I think most HP does not want to see your brains splattered all over the highway. Many reasons I would assume:

1. It would make them physically ill(the ones that like that want vice/sex/drugs assignments, not HP).

2. They would carry that thought home with them, and I'm sure they want to go home happy as much as we do.

3. If you do spatter your brains, the following occurs:
   a. You no longer pay speeding tickets(loss of revenue).
   b. You no longer pay income taxes just when you   
      were getting or already paying them(the main
      reason it's a law driven by the feds).
   c. You dependents(if any), becomes more of a burden
      to the systems that already is siphoned for more
      "needy" people that is 2 public servants paid by
      the one they take care of or inflect there will on.
   d. There is a mess to clean up which cost money.
   e. Insurance has to pay out(yep, they lobby well).
   f.  You no longer buy gas, clothes, houses, etc.
      (Again, look at all those taxes lost).

Ok, to get blunt on this, when did the slaves start running their masters. I pay them, they do not earn
there own way in the world. Live off of the live flesh of those who do earn there own way.

Or am I just an exception with a dark view of those who live off of tax revenue that I send them(and a hell of a lot of it, paid more income taxes per year than they earn!).

Aldo 'he that vents lives longer' or is it better?

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Reply #72 - Sep 9th, 2003 at 6:57am
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Are you talking about politicians now? 
I see many of them as nothing but leeches.
I can't really call my cousin the OHP a leech, because he gets payed worse than an Oklahoman teacher, which is pretty bad.  It seems to me that he took the job for the power it gave him.  He has always been that type.
  
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Reply #73 - Sep 10th, 2003 at 11:34pm
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I guess I am speaking of politicians and there puppet masters as well as the puppets they control. Very astute.

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