Orolan

You seem to have an affinity for sex offenses.  Do I see a correlation?

Saidme,
Knew you would bite on that one, since you also seem to have an "affinity" for sex offenses I note that you don't dispute the allegation, though. Quite a common thing these days for you, all wind and no substance
For the record, it is known on this board that I devote a lot of time and resources to the study of sex offenses as well as the psychology of offenders and victims.

Mr. Truth,
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Perhaps you speak of this?


A subject's intelligence may affect the results of a polygraph examination. Highly intelligent subjects may be able to anticipate or recognize relevant questions. This could lead to the subject being able to take counter measures to consciously avoid a stressful reaction. It could also lead to the subject's over sensitivity to the relevant questions and, thus, a stressful reaction. The reaction might be caused by deception or simply from stress from recognizing the relevance and significance of the question. 
See Id.;Scientific Validity of Polygraph Testing: A Research Review and Evaluation--ATechnical Memorandum, 85 (Washington, D.C.: U.S. Congress, Office of TechnologyAssessment, H.R. Doc. No. OTA-TM-H-15, November 1983)

orolan wrote on Aug 6^th, 2003 at 12:57am:


Yeah, I've been looking for that for a long time.  Thanks.

Suethem

Right on all counts (examiner, DoDPI, 1811).  Yes, I've read the DODPI study on racial bias.  I don't give any of these studies (DoDPI, NAS, and anyone else's) a lot of weight.  Most of these studies are just snapshots in time which can be influenced by many variables.  Including ones agenda.  I believe DoDPI is an excellent training institution and produces quality and competent polygraph examiners.  Do a few knuckleheads slip through the cracks?  Occasionally (Drew did).  Are they a research institute?  I think they've got a ways to go before they reach that level.  Should they be a research institute would be a better questions.  I think not.  They should focus on what they do best - producing quality, competent polygraph examiners.  Regardless of what research material they put out, someone like you and your buddies will shoot it down, regardless of how valid or invalid.  There's just no pleasing some folks, period.

Saidme once told the board:
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And now this latest response:
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Anybody know what Federal Agency investigates all of the types of offenses Saidme listed?

Orolan

I would venture to say almost all federal agencies run those type of cases.  Maybe your lack of law enforcement experience is shining through.

Anonymouse

No response for idiots.

Suethem

Just because someone has a lot of education and a grand title does not inherently make them smart.  I wonder what agenda Drew has that has not been plastered on this website!  Hmmmm.  Regarding your comments on the studies (pro and con).  The point I guess I was trying to make, albeit not very well, is that you guys have bashed DODPI from the very outset on everything from training polygraph examiners to their "biased" studies.  Then you turn right around and want to use a study they did that didn't necessarily come out in their favor.  You guys can't have it both ways.  Either they produce quality studies or they don't.  I've not made the determination in my own mind on those issues.  Regarding what I'm operating on.  That would be the information initially taught to me through DODPI along with continuing education programs all federal examiner's are required to maintain.  You attempt, albeit not very well, to paint a picture that I'm some rogue polygraph examiner out on the loose.  All agencies maintain a very strict quality control process.  So I guess to sum it all up I rely on my training from DODPI, continuing education, and personal experiences when it comes to running polygraph examinations.  And no, I'm not a federal probation officer.  I'm not even sure they have polygraph examiners.  

Saidme,

Dr. Drew is probably very smart.  He is a Dr. and was a supervisory SA with the FBI.  Both of those are significant achievements.

As for Dr. Drew's agenda-

He was tasked, by the FBI, to study the PLQCT.  He did and discovered that it was worthless.   

The FBI  places a lot of institutional belief and $ in the PLCQT and their reaction is not surprising.

I am guessing that the FBI was not thrilled with Dr. Drew's results, but  you shouldn't ask questions if you don't want answers.

I wouldn't think that Dr. Drew's study helped his career at FBI.  It seems to me that the FBI does not like anyone to say anything that is not in line with their ideology. 

I would say that the good Dr. has a great deal of integrity to say that the PLCQT is worthless, knowing that his stance would not further ( and probably diminish) his career.

You both know that the test is bullshit, he's just got the backbone and moral fiber to come out with the truth.