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wombat User Offline Posts: 48 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2003	how does this sound? Jun 10^th, 2003 at 11:13pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	how about this as a CM. what if i were to make a paper cut in my big toe (right under the nail). and then during control questions just slightly rub my toes in my shoe. i belive this would cause quite a bit of pain. but completly undetectable (unlike the nail in shoe routine). any thoughts?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6270 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: how does this sound? Reply #1 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 7:38am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Such a countermeasure might produce significant responses. However, it might also lead to a change in pressure distribution on the chair in which one is seated. Some polygraph chairs are equipped with a strain guage for measuring such pressure shifts, which might clue the polygrapher to attempted countermeasures.

	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Signal Private Messenger: ap_org.01 SimpleX: click to contact me securely and anonymously E-mail: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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wombat User Offline Posts: 48 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2003	Re: how does this sound? Reply #2 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 1:43pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	so on such chairs it would also be almost impossible to do an anal pucker. no?


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6270 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: how does this sound? Reply #3 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 6:33pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Incorrect. Constriction of the anal sphincter muscle (an internal muscle) won't produce the kind of shift in pressure associated with moving a toe.

	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Signal Private Messenger: ap_org.01 SimpleX: click to contact me securely and anonymously E-mail: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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Deputy Dawg Guest	Re: how does this sound? Reply #4 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 8:22pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wow, This is a genius idea Wombat! If you don't pass your polygraph exam using this idea, you might have a career in the movies! I recently watched the movie "Jackass" and they gave themselves paper cuts between their fingers and toes just for kicks! Heck, go for the gusto - use a razorblade to make those cuts. You can cut deeper and feel more significant pain, thus you can produce better responses on those controls! This idea ranks right up there with not drinking any fluids to inhibit sweat gland activity. Here is a novel idea AND it's less painful than cutting yourself - try telling the truth!


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George W. Maschke Global Moderator Offline Make-believe science yields make-believe security. Posts: 6270 Joined: Sep 29^th, 2000	Re: how does this sound? Reply #5 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 8:30pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Deputy Dawg, Unfortunately, telling the truth is no guarantee that one will pass a polygraph examination. Polygraphy has no diagnostic value. It doesn't detect lies or deception: it's a pseudoscientific fraud. Truthful persons are well-advised to practice and employ countermeasures to protect themselves against this invalid procedure.
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	George W. Maschke I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time. Signal Private Messenger: ap_org.01 SimpleX: click to contact me securely and anonymously E-mail: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com Threema: A4PYDD5S Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
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Human Subject Senior User Offline Posts: 73 Joined: May 31^st, 2003	Re: how does this sound? Reply #6 - Jun 11^th, 2003 at 8:49pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Quote: I recently watched the movie "Jackass" I really like this board because if offers great insights into the lives of polygraphers that I just can't get anywhere else. Wombat, you can try telling the truth sans countermeasures if you're feeling lucky. I'm living proof that doesn't always work.


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wombat User Offline Posts: 48 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2003	Re: how does this sound? Reply #7 - Jun 12^th, 2003 at 7:40pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	human subject, you are living proof that CM's work or dont work? i couldent understand from your post. and if they dident work do yhou know why?


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Skeptic God Member Offline Posts: 549 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2002	Re: how does this sound? Reply #8 - Jun 12^th, 2003 at 8:00pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	wombat wrote on Jun 12^th, 2003 at 7:40pm: human subject, you are living proof that CM's work or dont work? i couldent understand from your post. and if they dident work do yhou know why? I think he's saying just telling the truth doesn't always work. Skeptic


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Human Subject Senior User Offline Posts: 73 Joined: May 31^st, 2003	Re: how does this sound? Reply #9 - Jun 12^th, 2003 at 8:54pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Yeah, I'm saying that I naievely followed Deputy Dawg's "just tell the truth" advice and failed. If I had it to do over again, I'd once again tell the truth but spike the control questions with CMs. The controls in my case were so-called "probable lie" questions, and were easily identifiable. The ridiculous thing was that they obviously expect most people will lie about these questions, yet I honestly answered "no" to them. (I don't want to get into specifics about what the questions were, since I'm still a little nervous I could be identified.) I suspect I would have done better on my "lie detector" test if I'd managed to convince my polygrapher that I was lying about certain questions (through CMs). What a joke.


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