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suethem Very Senior User Offline Posts: 196 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #90 - Jun 13^th, 2003 at 10:51pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	saidme, Have you ever done pre-screening poly test?


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Skeptic God Member Offline Posts: 549 Joined: Jun 24^th, 2002	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #91 - Jun 13^th, 2003 at 11:27pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Saidme wrote on Jun 13^th, 2003 at 10:44pm: suethem I don't do screening polygraph exams. So to answer your question, no. Have I ever called an innocent person guilty? Not to my knowledge. Skeptic I'm hearing some rationalizations creeping into your answers, watch it! I'm not sure to which part of what I wrote you're referring. If Townsend downloaded child porn with exploitation in mind, he should have been nailed to the wall (note that he's been released without being charged). But yes, I do believe some people hate pedophiles enough to play vigilante online, just as some people foolishly try to play vigilante with drug dealers. I'm not saying it's a good or smart thing to do, particularly because it's likely impossible (from a legal standpoint) to determine who's heart is in the right place without letting nasty people off the hook. Clearly, crying "research" or "vigilante" is a pretty easy defense. However, I don't believe acknowledging that some people's heart is in the right place (even if their actions are foolish) is a rationalization; it's simply being fair (or attempting to). Skeptic


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Twoblock God Member Offline Posts: 732 Location: AR. Joined: Oct 15^th, 2002 Gender:	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #92 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 12:44am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Skeptic I don't know if you remember my post of a long while back, where I stated that my daughter was raped at gun point and the cops wouldn't even arrest the bastard. This was many uears ago. Well, I had to saddle up and ride the vigilante trail. If some pervert ever sends me any child porn, I will saddle up and ride again because I can't trust LE to act. I have received unwanted adult porn and LE says there is nothing they can do about it. Is there a "freedom of adult porn act"? After the first to or three I was able to recognize the lead-in and delete it without opening it. Child porn is a different thing. The first one those that I receive will require another ride.


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orolan Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 363 Joined: Dec 25^th, 2002	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #93 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 12:57am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Twoblock, Have to agree with you there. If anybody does such a thing with one of my daughters, they better damn well hope the police get them safely inside the jail before I get to them. I don't have the porn problem, but that's because I delete everything that comes in that isn't from somebody I know. And when the name is the same, usually you can tell by the subject.

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Onesimus Very Senior User Offline Posts: 110 Joined: May 10^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #94 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 2:46am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Saidme, Kudos to you for catching 100% of those who confessed to using countermeasures, and no-one who has not. Saidme wrote on Jun 13^th, 2003 at 10:44pm: Have I ever called an innocent person guilty? Not to my knowledge. How many people have you accused of lying that did not give you a confession and were later found to be guilty in a court of law? Given the about quote I can assume that there is no-one that you have accused of lying that was not found guilty in a court of law right?


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Saidme Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Jun 11^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #95 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 6:48am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	I can't give you an exact number but many. And you're right, they we're all found guilty.


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suethem Very Senior User Offline Posts: 196 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #96 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 7:08am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Saidme, have you ever done pre-screening polygraphs?


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Poly-Killer Senior User Offline "Knock, Knock!" Posts: 78 Location: Everywhere Joined: Apr 29^th, 2003 Gender:	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #97 - Jun 14^th, 2003 at 1:28pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Why is it that, throughout this thread, many of saidme's responses or vague, elusive or fail altogether to answer questions asked? On the other hand, most others here respond directly to issues raised by saidme in a straight-forward manner. ??? Could it be that this examiner is being "less than honest"? Just curious, PK
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wombat User Offline Posts: 48 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #98 - Jun 15^th, 2003 at 12:32am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	saidme, do you belive that if YOU were given a poly that you could lie on one or more issues and pass using CM's ect?


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Saidme Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Jun 11^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #99 - Jun 15^th, 2003 at 1:12am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wombat I wouldn't have any need to use CM's.


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wombat User Offline Posts: 48 Joined: Mar 20^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #100 - Jun 15^th, 2003 at 2:35am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Saidme, you dident answer my question. i asked IF you had to lie. would you pass the poly on that issue?


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suethem Very Senior User Offline Posts: 196 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #101 - Jun 15^th, 2003 at 11:56pm	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Saidme, This is the third time I have asked this question only to get no response from you: Have you ever given pre-screening polygraph exams?


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beech trees God Member Offline Posts: 593 Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2001 Gender:	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #102 - Jun 16^th, 2003 at 12:03am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	suethem wrote on Jun 15^th, 2003 at 11:56pm: Saidme, This is the third time I have asked this question only to get no response from you: Have you ever given pre-screening polygraph exams? You probably missed this post, suethem, in which 'saidme' writes: I don't do screening polygraph exams. So to answer your question, no. Have I ever called an innocent person guilty? Not to my knowledge.

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suethem Very Senior User Offline Posts: 196 Joined: Apr 29^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #103 - Jun 16^th, 2003 at 3:05am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Beech trees, I ask if Saidme had EVER done pre-sreening polygraphs He responded that he doesn't do them (as is currently). But I want to know if he EVER did give them. I guess I find it hard to believe that a polygrapher would only do one type. It may be common, but I want to hear it from him. So if Saidme will respond- I will drop it like a brick. Saidme, have you EVER given pre-screening polygraphs?


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Saidme Especially Senior User Offline Posts: 311 Joined: Jun 11^th, 2003	Re: "how to sting the polygraph" Reply #104 - Jun 17^th, 2003 at 3:16am	Mark & Quote Quote Print Post
	Wombat If I HAD (as you put it) to lie and the examination was conducted by a competent examiner, I doubt I would pass. I describe a competent examiner as one who conducts an ethical examination and at the same time is observant for CM's. Suethem I don't do pre-employment polygraph examinations, I've never done pre-employment polygraph examinations, and I'll never do pre-employment polygraph examinations. Hope that answers your question.


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