That is not a question I am at liberty to answer.  I am not going to give details that could identfy me.  Thanks for the congrats though.

Now what are you going to do about the periodic examinations that you no doubt will be required to take...especially if you enter any foreign counterintelligence work......your deceptive world will soon close around you

If you are a good person and know that you can do that job honestly with integrity and honor, you do whatever it takes to get the job; that's no.1! The past is the past, and is noone's business and while it MAY be an indication of future behavior, it is not even close to being an absolute.

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I agree with all of that except the "liberal" part.  One thing 'pedo ain't is a liberal.  Liberals don't usually damn someone for having done drugs a few times

Skeptic

Thank you for the providing that clarification Skeptic....indeed I am NOT a liberal...and I was merely stating MY opinion, just like others are allowed to do on this site....trouble is if the anti-polyhgraph folks disagree with it, you are scum, sack, smart ass, etc....I will continue nonetheless to state my opinion....I believe that when you apply for a job that is built around the concept of honesty, that when you apply for a position, you have an obligation to tell the truth.  If your transgressions exceed what the standard is,...so be it...move on to something else.....you can't help but wonder if a person would lie about his own behavior....would he or she not lie about the behavior of someone else.  Keep in mind, all have the right to state their own opinion...as a long time member of the thin blue line, that is all I was doing.  Have a nice day!

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I must agree with torpedo on this point. Most everyone who applies to a LE position feels they are a "good" person - regardless of what they have done. That's psych 101. If one doesn't meet the drug standards, and they typically allow for some past "experimentation", then why on earth would one apply for a LE position? Why do people feel it is OK to lie about things that LE is expected to impose on others? LE doesn't make these rules, society does. If a person joins LE by lying about activities society deems appropriate to criminalize, then exactly how honest can we expect such a cop to be when faced with putting away a "bad guy" where perhaps the evidence is thin but the opportunity to "enhance" it without getting caught exists? 

I want cops to be honest and ethical when confronted with hard choices. I think this is more likely if they start out that way.

That said, one of the reasons I most dislike the polygraph is the bias it has against people that DON'T lie on the controls - and they exist. I suspect "bubba's" thread some time back demonstrates this.

-Marty

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Behaviors are always in the past. No one can tell what you will do in the future but actual past behavior is perhaps the best indicator extant. I'm glad you are intent on being honest but exactly how is someone else supposed to know for sure your good intentions?

-Marty

To those with relevant issues in your background I CAN UNDERSTAND someone trying to manipulate their results on the poly.  I mean they obviously WANT something that dept policy (whether right or wrong) says they are not entitled to.

HOWEVER, WHAT I HAVE A HARD TIME DIGESTING IS SOMEONE WITH NO RELEVANT ISSUES WHO IS BULLIED INTO BELIEVING THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PERFORM COUNTERMEASURES TO  'BEAT' A POLY.   

REGARDLESS OF THE 'MIS-INFORMATION', COUNTERMEASURES ARE DETECTED.  NEW TRAINING AND INTEGRATED MOVEMENT SENSORS ARE A BLESSING TO THE POLYGRAPH COMMUNITY.   

UNFORTUNATELY FOR SOMEONE WITH NO RELEVANT ISSUES THE FACT THE EMPLOYED COUNTERMEASURES WILL ALMOST ALWAYS RESULT IN A DISQUALIFICATION.  THE DEPARTMENT IS NOT GOING TO BELIEVE THE PERSON PERFORMED COUNTERMEASURES BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID.  THEY WILL ASSUME THEY HAVE A DEEP, DARK SECRET.

HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE HAVE SUCCESSFULLY 'PASSED' THIS TEST WITHOUT TRYING TO 'BEAT' IT.

I WILL NEVER BE SO ARROGANT TO SUGGEST THEIR ARE NOT 'FALSE POSITIVES.'   HOWEVER, ALL DEPARTMENTS GIVE THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT TO THE EXAMINEE.  THEY HAVE TOO MUCH TIME AND RESOURCES INVESTED IN THE EXAMINEE TO NOT GIVE THEM THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

UNFORTUNATELY, A SITE DEVELOPED BY A SELF-PURPORTED 'FALSE POSITIVE'  IS ALSO GIVING INFORMATION TO CHILD MOLESTORS ON HOW TO ACTIVELY 'BEAT' THEIR POLYGRAPHS.

TO THOSE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE I WOULD SUGGEST YOU FOLLOW THE LEAD OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS BEFORE YOU AND AND 'PLAY ALONG' AND 'PLAY BY THE RULES.' 

REGARDLESS OF SOMEONE'S FEELINGS PRO OR CON POLYGRAPH WILL NOT GO AWAY UNTIL ANOTHER TECHNOLOGY REPLACES IT.   

GEORGE, YOU ARE AN INTELLIGENT AND DRIVEN INDIVIDUAL.  I WISH YOU WOULD TAKE THIS DRIVE AND INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON A CRUSADE TO END POLYGRAPH YOU SHOULD FOCUS ON A WAY TO IMPROVE IT WITH NEW TECHNOLOGY.