Boy1der,

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I agree with you that compilot34 should think very clearly about the foregoing. You seemingly suggest that the information on polygraph procedure and countermeasures found on AntiPolygraph.org should be disregarded because those providing the information are, in your view, socially irresponsible and/or unethical. However, your reasoning here is fallacy of the ad hominem variety. The accuracy of the information presented here and/or the adviseableness of any advice offered here is not dependent upon the social responsibility or ethics of those providing such information/advice.

If you believe that any of the information provided in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector is either untrue or otherwise misleading, why not say so and explain your point of view? (We even have a forum dedicated to such discussion.)

compilot34,
Man you are trully taken a beating here. Personlly most who have replied (no personal attack on anyone, though I'm sure I'll receive a public lashing for my post too) live in a fantasy where LE officers just do their jobs, and never wonder into the dark side themselves. Ah, Utopia what a beautiful place. Modern Society has decided that marijuana (a hallucigen) is bad and people who use the natural herb are bad. On the other hand alcohol (a depressant)a processed chemical specifically designed to intoxicate our minds is perfectly legal and controlled by our government, both easily accessable for abuse. Little known fact, alot of juries and judges do not convict DWI's for fear that one day it may be them sitting in the defendant's chair.

Personally, I had a real hard time getting into LE. The process really sucks, and the entire decision of wether you get hired or not rests on the hands of one individual, usually a polygrapher or Background Investigator. 
If you have trully changed your ways, then use all the resources available to you to fulfill your dreams. At the end of the day you are only accountable to answer to one being for your actions. I think most who have replied previously would have to eternally punish themselves, if they were to measure themselves with the same ruler with which they have measured you. A person's character and "standards" is not based upon wether they have obeyed all the laws written by modern politians. Nope, a person's character is measured by something much higher. 

My humble advice, if it doesn't have a paper trail and you are only accountable to yourself and the supreme being, then as far as anyone else is concerned,it never happened.

Regards,
Taz


PS Save your posts about letting serial murders, rapists, robbers, burglars etc getting away with crimes if it doesn't have a paper trail. My post has nothing to do with those type of people. Thx.

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What was innocuous or misleading?  You stated (correct me if I misunderstood the point of it) that accuracy and ethicality do not go hand in hand.  Just because you feel correct and just, does that absolves you or anyone else here at this site from having to be ethical?  The message I got was you are not concerned about the ethicality of providing countermeasures.  If you are concerned please describe to me how you justify aiding true criminals in evading law enforcement, even if you do not believe in the validity of polygraph testing.  I have read in past postings how you do not take responsibility of who visits your site.  Since you are a reasonable man, do you think it is only those truthful people who are trying to ensure they are not wrongly eliminated from a potential Job?  Will you concede and admit that your efforts have directly benefited those wishing to evade law enforcement or commit crimes?  I hear you beckoning me to disprove anything you say here.  Do you here me beckoning you to account for your complicity in assisting criminals or potential threats to our national security?  Instead of urging me to discuss this elswhere, just answer the question.

My only advice to compilot34 was to be aware of where he was getting his information; from people who are willing to assist criminals and the like without regard to ethical behavior.  I am certainly glad you are willing to concede that in the process of helping those you feel to be innocent or potentially hapless victims, you also aide those much less than innocent and criminal.  I'm sure it is a cozy blanket you have yourself wrapped up in.  You and others have claimed that polygraph has made victims out of good and decent people, hence your justification for this site.  What of the criminals you have assisted in making victims out of good and decent people?  Using your mentality there should be an "Anti-Antipolygraph" site (which I'm sure you would gladly endorse, free speech and all).  This has been fun, but your point has been made:  You do not care about the ethical considerations regarding countermeasures and are more than willing to help criminals make "real" victims out of good decent people.  No doubt you will have a self-rightious reply and again ask me to argue the accuracy of your information.  I posted for the benefit of compilot34 and others reading this string.  Be aware that Antipolygraph sets ethical considerations aside to put forth their personal agenda.

Georgie!  You resorted to sercasm.  Nonetheless you have been kind enough to acknowledge more than once you disregard any ethical concerns regarding your site.  My only response to your argument of accuracy is it doesn't wash the hands of dirt.

By the way I have reviewed the strings you suggested and you do not make any better argument there.  Take care.