confused wrote on Feb 20^th, 2003 at 5:06pm:


Confused,
You might want to download and read The Lie Behind The Lie Detector -- it could clear up a couple of issues here.

The problem is not just what may be asked explicitly.  The problem is that Michelle thinks she may register a response to questions about illegal drugs due to the fact that she has an emotional reaction to the question thanks to her legal medication.  This is an entirely valid concern, as false-positive results on the polygraph (for a variety of reasons) are a well-known problem.

Were such to occur, pressure would be put on her to discuss "whatever is bothering her" in order to "clear things up" -- which means delving into private medical issues.

She could try having some sort of throw-away rationale ready for whatever reactions she may generate, but that would be dishonest, right?

And if she failed to provide an explanation and continued to show a reaction on the question, she would be considered "deceptive" and "fail" the "test".

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You specifically quoted one of the 10 Commandments with a slight alteration ("thou shalt not bear false witness"), which is part of a religious doctrine.

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Again, iit seems to me you need to learn more about the polygraph.   The "test" relies upon the polygraph operator misleading the subject through outright dishonesty.

Skeptic

BTW, wrong is subjective only to people making excuses for doing wrong.

not confused now convinced.

Yet another in a long series of fine examples.  To any guests reading this thread, imagine what it would be like to take a polygraph with someone as cynical and accusatory as our "Batman", here.  You'd be guilty until proven innocent.  If you doubt it, I invite you to read other posts by "Batman", as well -- you'll also find a remarkable willingness to mislead people, as well as a bias against women.  There's nothing that says a polygrapher has to be a good person.

Perhaps most polygraphers aren't as generally hateful, paranoid and unsympathetic as "Batman", here.  But if it's your bad luck to get one like this, you'd have no recourse.

Polygraph screening should be abolished period, and polygraph interrogation should be confined to guilty knowledge testing.

Skeptic

confused wrote on Feb 20^th, 2003 at 8:45pm:


Darl'en, you have a long way to go before attempting to match IQ's.

Have you read the material Skeptic suggested or are you still confused?  It appears you still fail to understand the issues here.  Now isn't that a big surprise! 

confused wrote on Feb 20^th, 2003 at 8:45pm:


How does 'your' society feel about polygraphers lying and cheating *every time* they administer a test? Just curious... you seem full of venom for the examinee who would deceive the deceiver-- what about the professional liar, the one who does it for a living?

Batman...

>>I'll put good money on this; you have abused you Dex, and that is what is really bugging you about this whole thing.  You are very confident when you speak about "illegal" drugs, but you sure are hung up on what to many is a non-issue.<<

Hmmm... How much money?  What would it take to prove to you otherwise?  Seriously, you are willing to accept proof, aren't you?  I can't say that I trust you but if you and I can both agree on a 3rd party, one that we both trust, I would be more than happy to scan my most recent Rx dated 12/11 (I believe it is 12/11, it is in my purse) and if I abuse this drug surely I would get it filled the very day I could legally do so, right?  Or, I could photograph the bottles of tablets I have currently with dates and tablets  to prove what the drug is and you can see how many I have and the dates of the bottles.

Willing to put up or shut up?  Huh???  I would scan this stuff and send it to George, Skeptic, ... one other person, I can't think of his name right now.  Or... someone that George or Skeptic suggest considering I don't know anyone here.

Before you start talking out your back side you should probably know that to abuse Dex ... I couldn't swear to it but I would think it would be quite impossible for me to do.  I don't react to Dex the way you probably would.  If you take it you might cop a high, feel jittery, anxious, ready to run laps somewhere.  When I take it I get *really* focused.  Now doesn't that sound like enjoyable abuse to you??  If I take Dex on the weekends (and usually I don't, it's a Dex break per se) then when I get really focused I want to clean out my cupboards!  HA!  Think I'm kidding?  I am not.  Is that your idea of enjoyment?  The kind one would get from abusing drugs?

As for narcotics such as Morphine, Hydrocodone, Codeine,... I am probably allergic to them because I break out in hives when I take narcotics.  Now there's some fun!!

>>Let's consider your following statements from your very first post:

- "Abuse isn't an issue as I still have two rx's I have yet to get filled because I still have quite a few."

- "Anytime I have ever been asked if I take any drugs the thought of Dexedrine being a "meth users dream come true" I feel an instant emotion." 

- "Even when I went to a new doc and he asked if I take any meds I said no but I don't think he believed me."

In the first statement you denied abusing your script before it even became an issue.  It's the Bart Simpson, "I didn't do it!" syndrom.  Nobody asked.<<

Everybody asks.  Everyone who does not understand AD/HD and amphetamines asks that question.  It is an innocent question for most.  I don't know how much you know about the disorder or how many ADHD'ers you know so I don't know if your question is innocent or not.  Point being, *everyone* asks about addiction issues in cases like mine.  Go to any AD/HD board and see how many times that question is asked.  It becomes annoying and it is easier to say up front that addiction is not an issue instead of having to educate people such as yourself in a situation such as this message board.

Besides, if I wanted to lie in a polygraph test, what good would it do for me to come HERE and lie about what I will lie about?  I can obtain far better info if I am honest, wouldn't you think?  What do I have to lose here by being honest?  Seems to me that people that are honest piss you off as much as those who are dishonest.  Says something about your character, don't you think?  How fair can a polygrapher be when he assumes that everyone is dishonest?  A little biased attitude there, obviously.

>>Your second statement explains why you abuse your script, your hooked.<<

Again, I am not sure if you are asking innocent questions out of ignorance or if you are game playing again.  Do your research, AD/HD people don't become addicted to Dexedrine or Ritalin.  It doesn't work that way.  If I am hooked, it is pretty clear I am not going to have a whole lot of drugs left, right?  How many addicts forget to take their pills?  Seriously, how many do you know?

The last time I researched addiction and ADHD/Dex/Ritalin was probably about 5 years ago.  At that time there was not one documented case of addiction to Dex or Ritalin for any person that really has AD/HD.  It doesn't happen.  There are plenty of anti-amphetamine people regarding AD/HD that make claims but as of 5 years ago they were unable to prove it and amphetamines have been around for many many years.  In a non-ADHD person, you could be correct, in an ADHD person you are wrong.  Again.

>>Your third statement is a real teller, denial.  You don't even want to tell a doctor that you take these meds.  Big indicator baby.  You don't need to be getting a job, you need to be in drug rehab.<<

No, I don't like the ignorance such as yours about the disorder and just because someone is a physician does not mean they are up to date on ADHD.  Besides, I work for my insurance company (HMO).  I do not want my employer to know about Dex.  I've been pretty honest about that as well.   

As for rehab, if I was hooked I'd be taking them all!!  I would be unable to have them around and not take them.  That is how a drug addiction works.  You find a willing 3rd party that we both trust (again, I don't trust you) who I can send photos of all the pills I am addicted to, Rx labels, and a yet unfilled Rx and then you will owe me an apology.

>>If you take that polygraph you don't stand a snow ball's chance in hell of getting past the illegal drug use question.  Abuse of a script is illegal.  You're going to nail it!  I would suggest you use the best countermeasure of all, don't take the polygraph.  At least then you won't fail.<<

Willing to put a wager on that?  How much?  Com'on, put up or shut up.

>>Good Luck.  Maybe you can get someone to take it for you.  How about it Septic, you game?<<

Don't need it.  However your behavior here shows me more and more what George and Skeptic are talking about regarding how polygraphers lie and use (attempted) intimidation and dishonesty to get what they want from their clients.  You spell it out so clearly it is amusing.  Thanks, now I know what to expect when I take the test.

Who will the disinterested person that we can both trust be to show my photos?  I'll even provide my insurance card or Driver License to show that the Rx's do indeed belong to me.

Put up or shut up Batman.  If I am fibbing you can run around telling everyone that you were right for once.  If I am telling the truth then you have to start a whole new thread just for the purpose of apologizing to me.  Groveling, if you will.

Are you all talk?  Let's see once and for all, shall we?

To borrow a phrase:
Batman, you've been OWNED, bud.

Skeptic

Skeptic wrote on Feb 20^th, 2003 at 10:08pm:

 
Skeptic,
 
I fully agree. "Batman's" main contribution to the discussions here on AntiPolygraph.org has been to graphically illustrate the kind of boorish, crude, and arbitrarily accusatory personality that those facing a polygraph interrogation may encounter. See, especially, his posts in the message thread Truthfull but Still Failed a Poly and CVSA.

I wrote "Batman" off as someone worthy of engaging in rational discourse with after his particularly flippant and offensive post (in which he likened me to Louis Farrakhan) in the message thread Al Qaeda Documentation on Lie Detection. Considering "Batman's" puerile penchant for addressing you as "Septic," you might wish to do the same. He's clearly not interested in a civil exchange of ideas.