Batman wrote on Feb 8
th, 2003 at 4:44pm:
My Dear Seeker (and you too Septic),
Now, why didn't you jump on his case for his obvious bias? Who are you trying to kid? The only reason you tried to slam me is because I am a polygraph examiner, and my point of view on the topic is different from yours and other jerks like Septic. You two can take your "blatant bias" crap and shove it!
My Dear Batman:
I have read Steincj's post several times, and frankly, I don't see the sexual bias in his as I see in yours. I do not intend nor try to slam anyone, and I have no problem with anyone who has a different view of my own. I have three small children for crying out loud - I am used to living in harmony with people who disagree with me on almost every topic you can imagine. I appreciate your "shove it" remark. Glad to see that being a lady evokes such pleasantries from a gentleman.
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It's utterly amazing how when someone comments on an asinine post such as secretagent's you slugs all come crawling out of the wood work, not to refute what I said, but to play some lame "blatant bias" card. Nice try, but a lame attempt to change the topic, and shift blame. The bottom line is secreagent got caught LYING and now wants to lay blame on the doorstep of the polygraph examiner. All I'm asking is that on occasion you twits admit that some of the posts with these claims are in fact bullshit.
I prefer to think of myself as a pawn as opposed to a slug, but thanks for the kindness, Batman. If you go back and read my posts a bit slower, and thing about them, I did in fact suggest to secretagent that if his admission was one that disqualified him, then it was something with which he would have to accept and deal with. I didn't come out to fight his case for him, nor did I say that he was a false positive. My point was, and continues to be, that what he wrote was classical symptoms of how a rape victim describes his or her (yes, men are raped too) experience.
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You want to talk about bias, you're all so damn bias in your way of thinking about polygraph you can't, or won't acknowledge that it works under any circumstances. Any time there is any level of success related to the utilization of polygraph it's simply played off as taking advantage of some poor stupid nitwit, or a mental raping (Oh, I believe you coined that phrase Seeker. How do you think any woman who has suffered as a victim of rape would feel about your use of the word under these circumstances? Seems a little insensitive on your part. Don't you agree Septic?). In our business we try to be a little more caring for the feelings of others. We simply call is a "Skull F--king".
Again, my Dear Bat...read my posts again. In my posts on the Westerfield polygraph, I do in fact state that the case is good ground for proof of utility issues with the polygraph. I have never suggested that the toy be taken out of an investigator's tool box for criminal matters. I have absolutely NO issue with it being used in that manner.
Now, let's talk about this rape thing that had you speaking out of turn.
During the time that I was the prime age for rape victims, the US DOJ statistics for women being raped was 1 in 4. Today, as crime has been declining, it stands at 1 in 6. I think you should be a bit more careful in suggesting to me, a woman, that I have no authority nor knowledge about rape that would allow me to use that phrase. And, thank you, but no, I did not coin the phrase. It was actually a most profound and accurate description of a polygraph exam by a federal agent pal of mine.
You think that skull f--king isn't tantamount to mental rape? My goodness, Batman. Work with me here for a minute. If an act is consensual, it is not rape. Right? If it is not consensual, it is rape. Right? If you don't agree on these basic principles, then the rest of my arguement will be useless.
If I sign a paper before going out with a guy that says that we will have consensual intimacy, but then in the process of the date I decide that it is not in my best interest to be intimate, or let's say that he decided that my idea of consensual gave him a free pass to hurt me, to abuse me, to degrade me, would you fight for his side and say that since I signed an agreement (even though in my mind I agreed to a romantic evening with compassionate and gentle intimacy), I deserved what I got? If that is the case, then would you think that no matter how I fought, screamed, and begged, that I was still under that signed release and that I just have to take what is dished out to me?
How can you tell me that skull f--king is NOT the equivalent to mental rape? When someone goes into a polygraph exam, especially in screening exams, they do not go into it with the full knowledge of what is about to happen to them. They think that they are merely going through another paper drill, and that it will be quick and painless. I am more than willing to admit that this can and very much is the case in a lot of pre-screening exams. However, I have heard (from federal agents with whom I would never attempt to question their veracity) some pretty horrid tales of polygraph exams. I have heard of them not being allowed by the examiner to go to the bathroom before the exam (and the guy REALLY had to go bad), face-to-face screaming matches that had to be broke up once they became physical, and arbitrary accusations of criminal acts. These agents left the polygraph exam room with the feeling that they had been manipulated, abused, harassed, and unnecessarily put through harsh and inhumane situations. It fell way short of their expectations and anticipations about a polygraph exam.
In the interest of time and space, I haven't gone into the depths of proving my point in hopes that you can see it if you sit back and think about it.
Again, it is the validity of the polygraph that I do not accept. The utility is another subject all together. If using any prop or toy brings about the conclusion (in a fair way) of a crime, then I would never argue to discontinue its use. I am willing to accept its use ONLY as it pertains to criminal investigations.
Regards,
Seeker