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Reply #15 - Jul 16th, 2003 at 9:47pm
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Question.. what exactly is the NSA saying here??  Are they admitting that the charts themselves are useless? 


6.  Use of Polygraph Examination Results:

               a.  Any final administrative determinations rendered in cases 
in which a polygraph examination is taken shall not be based on the results of 
an analysis of the polygraph charts.


This kills me too.

ANNEX C

e.  The polygraph instrument shall not be utilized as a 
psychological prop in conducting interrogations.


If they can't rely on the charts and can't use the machine for its intended purpose then why are they paying examiners to perform pre-employment polys?

Another laugh.         

5.  Public Demonstrations.  Polygraph examiners shall not participate 
in any public demonstration of the polygraph technique that includes a mock 
test in which there is an attempt to interpret the results of the test.  This 
does not preclude a public demonstration to show the physiological changes that 
take place during emotional stimulation, provided no attempt is made to 
interpret the changes and no unfounded claims of application or reliability are 
made.  Only polygraph examiners certified under the provisions of Annex C of 
this Regulation may be used as instructors, lecturers, or demonstrators of the 
polygraph.


They are only allowed to show us poor lay people how the fancy machine charts BP and heart rate.  I can go to any corner drug store and get the same show for free! 


Sounds like the NSA knows its limitations as a way of measuring physiological changes only.  Yet they contravene their own policy when interrogating someone after the test.
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 17th, 2003 at 2:01am
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You've got to get a life.  If you're resorting to reading some boring crap produced by the NSA.  Go moose hunting or salmon fishing.
  
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Reply #17 - Jul 17th, 2003 at 2:47am
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LOL  I need this site to pass the time at work.  Additionally I have a personal interest in this debate as I was "screwed" without even a kiss first by one of you so called professional polygraphers.

PS  I love to moose hunt and salmon fishing is out of the question as I am landlocked here in good old Alberta!

Saidme, I take it you are a municipal cop turned polygrapher that is excluded from abiding by the "boring crap" rules as "mandated" by the NSA?
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 18th, 2003 at 4:12am
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I would love to go moose hunting and salmon fishing.  I love salmon.  Grew up bird hunting so it's hard to shake.  Don't know your personal circumstances on your polygraph so I can't comment.  And once again CC you're wrong.  I am a federal examiner, just not an NSA examiner.  I do have acquaintances who are NSA examiner's and I find them to be quite competent and skilled at what they do.  In fact I would match their program with just about anyone's in the federal government.  Their screening exams just aren't my cup of tea.
  
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