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Aug 30th, 2002 at 10:41pm
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I took this poly and it went wierd.  The questions all seemed relevant with the exception of is today XXX?  Is this the month of XXX?  Are you wearing sox?  Is your nameXX?  Also was asked were some others: Since the age of X, have you ever lied to an authority figure? Stuff like that.  I told truth but was asked about my thoughts during several questions after.  I think I was just nervous. Then they informed me I might have to come back to clear things up if need be.  Which happened, I have to go back probably for another test.  What shall I do, is this a rlvnt/irrlvnt test? Or peak of tension test?  Any help would be great not sure of the situation, can countermeasures be used on this type to make sure I pass?
  
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2002 at 10:59pm
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Sorry, forgot to say a stim test was done too.  Should any CMs be used here?? George, whatdoya think?
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2002 at 11:22pm
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what police department was this?
  
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2002 at 11:34pm
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Johnson,

All of the questions you listed were irrelevant questions except for one: "Since the age of X, have you ever lied to an authority figure?" This is a textbook example of a probable-lie "control" question. See Chapters 3 & 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for more on "control" questions and how to recognize them.

The technique you encountered thus seems to have been a "control" question "test" and not a relevant/irrelevant one. If you can recall any other questions you were asked, I'd be happy to offer an opinion on whether they were relevant, "control," or irrelevant questions.

On a final note, it would probably be imprudent for you to answer jet-journalist's question at this juncture (what police department is this?) as doing so might enable your polygrapher to identify you (especially if your last name really is "Johnson"), and result in retaliation against you for having posted here.
  

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Reply #4 - Aug 31st, 2002 at 1:02am
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Your Right George, didnt think before I asked, Just send me a private message if you dont mind.
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 31st, 2002 at 4:27am
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George,  There were other questions too.  They had to deal with the sections of the test.  Did you lie about your drug usage, lie about your application, Have ever been fired from job, lie about your sexual habits, etc.  I was told it was a peak of tension test by the examiner.  Let me know what to do I think I might be retested
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 31st, 2002 at 8:59pm
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That question, "Have I ever lied to an authority figure since the age of xx" was used in my lie detector test for fidelity.  I figured it was a control question.  I'm not sure I understand it all.
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 31st, 2002 at 9:14pm
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Johnson,

Although your polygrapher may have represented the procedure to you as a peak of tension test, the question, "Since the age of X, have you ever lied to an authority figure?" is clearly a probable-lie "control" question. If I were facing a polygraph "test" that included such a question, I would be sure to produce a reaction to it.
  

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Reply #8 - Aug 31st, 2002 at 10:58pm
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George, I emailed you for further explanation.  Please get back to me.  THanks.  I have read your book but need some clearification to be sure
  
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