Normal Topic FBI Polygraph Experience (Read 2688 times)
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box Passedbutfailed
New User
*
Offline



Posts: 10
Joined: Jul 6th, 2002
FBI Polygraph Experience
Jul 7th, 2002 at 11:52pm
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Hello, I'm new to your website.  I recently discovered it last week after I had already taken a pre-employment polygraph exam with the FBI three weeks ago.  I took the polygraph and was accussed of using my body to manipulate the the polygraph machine (which I now understand is called "countermeasures").  The polygrapher grilled and grilled me on "what I did and didn't know."  He caught me by suprise because I had no idea what he was talking about, but he said that "this is not good, we might need to retest you" (which I wholeheartedly agreed to) and that "I'll need to check with Washington" and finally stating that "I'd be contacted by [my applicant coordinator]", which I thought was a good thing because that meant that they were going to schedule my physical, the next step in the process.  After two weeks, I recieved a crappy form letter stating that my polygraph results were "not within acceptable parameters."  I almost fainted.  Not only did they not contact me for a re-test, but they dropped my application.  I was humiliated and confused.  That's when I discovered your site last week and read your book.  The problem is that the polygrapher never accused me of anything in the realm of drugs, espionage, or crime, but I was still dropped from the applicant pool.  The only thing that I was accussed of was trying to use my body to decieve the polygraph machine.  Furthermore, after reading your book, I WAS NEVER GIVEN what you guys call a STIM TEST and in my final round of polygraph questions, I was asked not to vocally respond to the questions, but only asked to "think about your answers."
Please guys, help me, what the hell happened!  I have done nothing wrong, yet even though being highly qualified for employment in the FBI, I have been dropped without an explanation.  And to make matters worse, from some of the messages that I have glanced at on your site, I probably don't have a future in federal law enforcement, the only career that I have been interested in.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Paste Member Name in Quick Reply Box George W. Maschke
Global Moderator
*****
Online


Make-believe science yields
make-believe security.

Posts: 6230
Joined: Sep 29th, 2000
Re: FBI Polygraph Experience
Reply #1 - Jul 8th, 2002 at 12:31am
Mark & QuoteQuote Print Post  
Passedbutfailed,

I'm saddened but not surprised to learn of your FBI polygraph experience. The FBI pre-employment polygraph failure rate is reportedly near 50% at present; there can be little doubt that many truthful persons are being falsely accused of deception and wrongfully disqualified. I hope you'll consider joining us in working to expose and end polygraph waste, fraud, and abuse. (Sharing your experience here, as you have done, is a good first step.)

I suggest that you promptly appeal the FBI's decision in writing and request copies of all FBI documentation related to your application, including your polygraph "test," under the Privacy Act. See Chapter 5 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for suggestions on how to proceed. You might also wish to contact attorney Mark S. Zaid <ZaidMS@aol.com>, who is representing a number of plaintiffs who are suing the FBI, DEA, and U.S. Secret Service over their polygraph policies.

It is interesting that you were not administered a "stim test," as including one seems to be standard operating procedure for FBI polygraphers.

With regard to the procedure where you were asked not to vocally respond to questions, it appears to have been a technique commonly referred to as the "Silent Answer Test." James Allen Matte describes it in Chapter 19 of Forensic Psychophysiology Using the Polygraph (J.A.M. Publications, 1996). The following excerpt from pp. 514-15 helps explain the rationale for this technique:

Quote:

Research conducted by Frank S. Horvath and John E. Reid (1972) revealed that the Silent Answer Test produces better respiratory patterns by eliminating causes of distortions from the examinee who prepares himself or herself to answer each question aloud by inhaling a great amount of air; from the examinee who loudly bellows his or her answer to emphasize his or her denial; from the examinee who feels compelled to give an elaborate answer instead of a simple "yes" or "no" as instructed; and from the examinee whose throat is dry or irritated necessitating the clearing of his or her throat or coughing at intervals during the test.

Their research further indicated an enhancement of the utility of the electrodermal (GSR) recording. The SAT not only produced a chart with greater purity of tracing but also acted as an effective stimulation test for the subsequent polygraph tests/charts requiring a verbal answer.

The stimulating effect of the silent answer test on the guilty examinee may be due to the dilemma encountered when told he or she is not to answer the questions aloud but truthfully and silently to himself or herself. Previously the examinee has geared his or her defenses so that his or verbal answer to the relevant questions would not betray him or her. Now the examinee wonders whether he or she should answer those questions truthfully to himself or herself and presumably not show a reaction, which may reflect a different pattern than the previous charts, or silently answer them the same way as before and perhaps show a strong reaction as he or she may have on previous charts. This causes an inner conflict, a feeling of helplessness, which carries over into the subsequent test requiring a verbal response. The guilty examinee must now readjust his or her defenses again in preparation for his or her verbal responses to the relevant questions, which causes his or mind to race inasmuch as the two tests are administered back-to-back. The examinee's concern is on the relevant questions, which are now an even greater threat to his or her well-being which increases the strength of his or her psychological set onto the relevant questions and creates greater and clearer responses. The Silent Answer Test has the effect of enhancing the threatening power of the relevant questions to the guilty examinee, and conversely also enhances the innocent examinee's concern over the probable-lie control questions inasmuch as the relevant questions should be of no concern to him or her.

While most polygraph techniques employ the Silent Answer Test as a stimulation test and/or countercountermeasure, usually after the second chart, some polygraph techniques use the SAT as the very first test prior to the administration of the relevant issue test and include the SAT data in their decision-making process.


Whether the subject is told to answer the questions verbally or "mentally," the key to passing is still to produce stronger physiological responses to the "control" questions than to the relevant questions.
  

George W. Maschke
I am generally available in the chat room from 3 AM to 3 PM Eastern time.
Tel/SMS: 1-202-810-2105 (Please use Signal Private Messenger or WhatsApp to text or call.)
E-mail/iMessage/FaceTime: antipolygraph.org@protonmail.com
Wire: @ap_org
Threema: A4PYDD5S
Personal Statement: "Too Hot of a Potato"
Back to top
IP Logged
 
FBI Polygraph Experience

Please type the characters that appear in the image. The characters must be typed in the same order, and they are case-sensitive.
Open Preview Preview

You can resize the textbox by dragging the right or bottom border.
Insert Hyperlink Insert FTP Link Insert Image Insert E-mail Insert Media Insert Table Insert Table Row Insert Table Column Insert Horizontal Rule Insert Teletype Insert Code Insert Quote Edited Superscript Subscript Insert List /me - my name Insert Marquee Insert Timestamp No Parse
Bold Italicized Underline Insert Strikethrough Highlight
                       
Change Text Color
Insert Preformatted Text Left Align Centered Right Align
resize_wb
resize_hb







Max 200000 characters. Remaining characters:
Text size: pt
More Smilies
View All Smilies
Collapse additional features Collapse/Expand additional features Smiley Wink Cheesy Grin Angry Sad Shocked Cool Huh Roll Eyes Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
Attachments More Attachments Allowed file types: txt doc docx ics psd pdf bmp jpe jpg jpeg gif png swf zip rar tar gz 7z odt ods mp3 mp4 wav avi mov 3gp html maff pgp gpg
Maximum Attachment size: 500000 KB
Attachment 1:
X