Benny,

Welcome to the AntiPolygraph.org message board; I hope you'll find it to be a useful resource.

Polygraphy is indeed one of the most successful frauds of the 20th century. It thrived thanks to widespread public ignorance of how it actually "works" and shoddy reporting by the mainstream media (who have been loathe to expose the secrets of the polygraphers' black art.) With the advent of the Internet and the availability of detailed and accurate information about polygraphy to anyone with a computer and Internet access who seeks it, the polygraph fraud cannot long endure.

Please consider joining us in spreading the word about polygraphy. A simple way to do so is to mention this non-profit site to your family, friends, colleagues, and acquaintances, and, when appropriate, to post a note about it in any other Internet forums in which you participate.

Benny,

If you have not committed any serious felony offenses, do not hinder your application process by doing the following:

a. Lieing about your past.  If you do this and get caught it will only call into question your integrity.  If this happens there is very little chance you will get the position.

b. Attempt to use countermeasures on your polygraph examination.  Again, you stand a good chance of getting caught (regardless of what the people on this sight will tell you), and if you do, then the department you are applying to will only assume you have something serious to hide, and they most likely will not hire you.

The best advice that can be offered is be totally honest during your application process.  Some on this sight will say that is an unrealistic viewpoint, however it is not.  Departments have no expectation of hiring angles or saints.  They are realistic, and expect their applicants will have made mistakes in the past.  The certain kiss of death to any application process though is to be caught in a lie, or in an attempt to circumvent that process.

Like I said, unless you have a serious felony offense in your past, be honest, and, if qualified, you stand a much better chance of getting the job you want.  If you do have a serious felony offense in your past, I again urge you to just get it out on the table and then let the chips fall where they may.  I believe you might be surprised.  Many departments work under the belief that if an individual is willing to tell all during the hiring process then they make more trustworthy officers because they have shown a willingness to disclose their past skeletons.   

Just some food for thought.  You have to make the final decision, but think it over long and hard before you go the route that this sight advocates.

Batman

just a question for the readers of this site.   Has anyone ever been denied employment for passing, yet being accussed of using countermeasures?  I am currently in the process of being hired for  fed. law enforcement, but I have been the accussed, called the cheater for passing the "test".  the final decision has not been made, but my hopes are fading...  ??? ???

make that four responses, i was accused of using countermesures, interrogated for about 2 hours, then was told the results would go to a "quality control".  again still to this day no absolute pass or fail

cheater wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2002 at 5:59am:


Yes, federal agencies may disqualify an applicant based merely on the suspicion that the applicant used polygraph countermeasures, as Dr. Gordon H. Barland, formerly of the Department of Defense Polygraph Institute, made clear in the message thread Countermeasure considerations for the innocent.

If you are disqualified based on the agency's suspicion that you used countermeasures, you may wish to contact Washington attorney [url=http://www.martindale.com/xp/Martindale/Lawyer_Locator/Search_Lawyer_Locator/search_result.xml?PG=0&STYPE=N&LNAME=Zaid&FNAME=Mark&FN=&CN=&CTY=&STS=&CRY=1&L
SCH=]Mark Zaid[/url] of Lobel, Novins & Lamont, who represents a number of plaintiffs who are suing the U.S. Government over its pre-employment polygraph policy. You can reach him at work at (202) 371-6626 or by e-mail to ZaidMS@aol.com.

I may also be able to put you in touch with someone who has been in a position similar to yours. If you're interested, please send me a private message.

Batman, you wrote, "Like I said, unless you have a serious felony offense in your past, be honest, and, if qualified, you stand a much better chance of getting the job you want." What about an not so serious felony? I understand you can not be certified if you have been convicted of any felony. And if you do have a felony conviction then that will show on the NCIC or _CIC (depending on the state), and you will be DQ'd anyway. Also, how will someone get caught using countermeasures? They can only be suspected of using them. In any case it is completly up to the polygrapher to make that guess. I don't see how you could put your career in the hands of someone guessing about the truthfulness of your statements. I can't wait for the day you are found deceptive on a polygraph knowing you are telling the truth. By the way this has not happened to me, I am not an angry person who has been the victim of the polygraph. I just do not believe in it, other than for interrogation.

don't hold your breath beech trees.