You should not be advocating breaking the law to further your own small-minded goals.

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While I find this suggestion to be lacking in ethics, I would like to suggest that there is a much more reasonable alternative.

Here locally where I live, local restaurants and nightclubs have their bathroom stall walls filled with advertisements.  This of course was the gracious response to all of the "wall writers" where folks like Batman found their significant others (read prior post).  

For $20 / year, you can now have your advertisement placed onto their bathroom wall stalls.  As it currently stands, I am seeing only Bail Bonding, Palm Readers, and public service ads (those ones that warn against domestic violence, alcoholism, and aids).

Perhaps this is an option, but I would strongly suggest that Mission Poly-Ban missed the mark with the suggestion of joining in on the wall writings.

Regards,

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BoyBlunder,

Perhaps, if you could have gotten over the excitement that you were about to "write a funny," you would have underdstood wht Seeker was saying, as I think her sentiment is echoed by most of us on this site.

First she provides an alternative to the wanton graffiti by saying:
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But, BoyBlunder, if you wish to pitifully attack us all, be forewarned.  I will continue to divulge your foolishness.

Chris 

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I would say if you don't know what a CKT (Concealed Knowledge Test) perhaps you are less than well equipped to comment on Chris's post. Perhaps you should spend some time reviewing things.


-Marty

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Well, the use of GKT has been discouraged due to it's obvious bias. But it would appear that both CIT and CKT are used to mean the same thing. Often CQT is used to mean PL CQT where it could also mean DL CQT or simply DLT (or, alternately PLT).



SEE:
http://www.fas.org/sgp/othergov/polygraph/dod-1997.html

Effects of Misinformation on the Concealed Knowledge Test (CKT). This study, completed under contract with the University of North Dakota, was designed to examine the effect of misinformation on subjects undergoing a CKT PDD examination.

-Marty

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Why not? The standard format is that the person responds "NO" to each of a series of question groups. The CIT works by detecting the higher level of response rendered when a person recognizes the specific information named while also saying no. Sounds like a PDD to me. Perhaps there are variations where a person doesn't have to say anything and hence it would be inappropriate to call it a PDD since the term is something of a catchall.  You will please note that in my citation the research study was funded by DOD.

Here is the full quote and title of the document it came from:

        Department of Defense
        POLYGRAPH PROGRAM
ANNUAL POLYGRAPH REPORT TO CONGRESS
     Fiscal Year 1997

--------- Research--------

Effects of Misinformation on the Concealed Knowledge Test (CKT). This study, completed under contract with the University of North Dakota, was designed to examine the effect of misinformation on subjects undergoing a CKT PDD examination. The CKT is used when subjects deny knowing specific details about a crime, which only a guilty person would know, such as the type of weapon used. Subjects were given false information concerning a videotaped crime they observed a week earlier. Those who remembered the false information were less likely to be detected, when deceptive, during a PDD examination than those who did not remember the false information. A final report has been completed and is available through the Defense Technical Information Center.


-Marty

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I largely agree though I think that asking a person to repeat each statement would best be done by not having the statement in query form. I note that the query form is likely the typical format in Japan, where the CIT in fact dominates.  [Nakayama, in Kleiner's Handbook of Polygraph Testing, 2002] . Whether one includes CIT in the category of PDD mechanisms perhaps is a matter of jargon and custom. I gather, reading the DOD's document that the term PDD applies to almost anything which the instrument is used with. Even their own manual on the polygraph is presented as the PDD manual and I certainly assume the CIT, as well as all their other more widely used techniques are described even if rarely used. More specifically, Chapter 5 [Kleiner] is titled "Physiological Detection of Deception in Psychological Perspectives" and discusses GKT(called also CIT and CKT), CQT, as well as some interesting things that interfere in various ways with the polygraph.  It's clear that the CIT falls within the rather broad scope of PDD.


It's too bad the CIT is not used more often as it has the potential to be validated and requires no examiner deception though of course it is fairly useless as a screening tool.

See you tomorrow, though it appears we are more in agreement than not.

-Marty