Hi everyone, I am in the process of applying for employment where a Poly will be given. What if I were to be honest about past history. What are most organizations policy on such past occurrences? Would this disqualify me even though I was not being dishonest? Would countermeasures be a better way to go about it?

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Sorry for being so vague! Lets say drug use was pretty heavy as a teenager up to 19 including many types of drugs and the extent of use too great to count. Also the organization in question is the CIA. I am now 25 and was in the military,  completely drug free for over 5 years however, I do know that the FBI for example has a 15 time use limit on Marijuana. Do all agencies have a cut off to which you are disqualified?

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The pseudoscientific field of polygraphy has not proven its ability to determine truth from deception with better than chance accuracy through peer-reviewed scientific research conducted under field conditions. CIA polygraphers may or may not be among the world's best in their field. Nonetheless, the field as a whole has failed to prove its competence when it comes to determining truth from deception.

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The language of the message posted by "You have no chance" is borrowed directly from the CIA website:

http://www.cia.gov/cia/employment/before2.htm 

If the CIA does have a cut-off limit for past drug use, it seems that it has chosen not to publicly disclose that limit.

I fully agree with beech trees that the CIA's public representation that its polygraphers "work closely and carefully with applicants" is a gross mischaracterization of the polygraph interrogation process. See my earlier post, CIA Hypocrisy for related commentary, and see the accounts on the AntiPolygraph.org Personal Statements page for examples of how CIA polygraph interrogators may "work closely and carefully with applicants."

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How pleasant. Welcome to the boards.

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Masking agents are easily detected. While masking agents can ruin a urine sample and make the detection of drug metabolites impossible, the presence of the masking agents in and of themselves will cause a failure.

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My understanding is a lot depends upon the rate of growth of one's hair. I'll be the first to admit I have no firsthand knowledge in this area.

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Their perogative, I suppose.

For those of you not only interested in passing the polygraph,  but also the drug test:

Passing a uring test is rather easy,  even on short notice.

Drug byproducts are stored in various components of the body,  and break down day by
day until all byproducts have been eliminated through wastes.   

While a person may have smoked a joint the day before a test,  it is still easy to beat the
drug test...here is how:


Firstly, go to the nutrition store and buy a small container of creatine.  Take the creatine
starting a day or two before the test...a big spoonfull with each meal.   

Start really loading the creatine the last 4 to 5 hours before the test.   

Drug tests check for creatine levels in your urine to make sure it is not too diluted to be a
good sample, and by saturating yourself with creatine, you can assure yourself that you
will be realeasing creatinine,  the chemical they are looking for,  even with diluted urine.

Second, before the test (roughly three to four hours or more) eat a large meal which
contains a lot of fiber.  Oatmeal is a great choice.  The fiber will help redirect a lot of the
broken down metabolites into your stool, rather than going to your bladder.   

About one and a half to two hours before the test, start drinking ANY type of beverage in
mass quantities.  Water is fine,  but natural cranberry juice does the trick greatly.   
Also take a Multi-vitamin and a VITAMIN B.  It is important to take the B vitamin to add
color to the urine.  They look to see if the urine is too clear.

Keep drinking water or cranberry juice until you are really full of fluid.   

Then start pissing.   

Piss a lot...like you have never pissed before.

Make sure you go atleast four or five times, monitoring the shade of yellow your urine is
from the vitamin B.

Make sure you are still pissing yellow when you go to take the urine test.

Make sure you need to go your fourth or fifth time by the time you get to the test, and
then hold it.By this time,  all the metabolites that your blood was carrying will be flushed, and what
little--if any--is left will be undetectable because it will be undetectable by their cutoff
standards...regardless of what their cutoff is.

In simple terms,  there will be NO WAY IN HELL that there will be detectable amounts in
your urine (assuming you did the above, and made sure you went 5 or so times soon
before the test).

Now when they have you piss in the cup, start by pissing in the toilette for a few seconds,
then piss in the cup after already having pissed a while in the toilette, then make sure you
have filled the cup up enough, and finish your piss in the toilette.  Trust me on
this....midstream piss is the cleanest.

What you will give them is a urine sample that is on one hand flushed and diluted beyond
drug metabolite detectablitity,  and on the other,  yellow enough to look undiluted, 
containing creatine levels that are acceptable,  and all the vitamins and minerals normally
found in piss due to the multivitamin and good meal you ate earlier in the day.

Trust me on this one...Im going to write a new book titled "The Piss behind the Drug
Detector"

"While a person may have smoked a joint the day before a test,  it is still easy to beat the
drug test...here is how:..."

While most drugs are water soluble, pot is fat soluble and chronic users can keep it in their systems for over 30 days. Your "flushing" technique is also suspect. I have studied (all coutermeasures) and administered many drug screens. The only 100% method of passing drug screens is substitution (for drug users). Dilution will cause concern and lets face it, most of the people in this forum are pre-employment L.E. and do we really want our finest saving our lives on dope?

For "you have no chance", you are smoking crack if you think any potion from GNC or anywhere else will enable you to pass a drug screen. I have personally busted people that used these flush drinks. Get your facts right. If you are a CIA employee, then I fear the safety of our nation based on your statements. 

BEAR:

I'm not sure if you have read my post thoroughly (about how to pass a drug test)....

If you did,  you would have realized that I gave people directions on how to present a flushed (metabolite) urine sample that appears to be absolutely acceptable.

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Nonsense.

The key causes for concern (that would lead an examiner to believe that a person manipulated their specimen) are:  Lack of color,  low creatinine levels,  and low vitamin/mineral concentrations.  

Clearly,  a person who hands over a specimen that looks like a glass of Polish Springs bottled water will be suspected of flushing their system,  but I gave directions on how to give a specimen that is absolutely acceptable,  passing in all of those areas.  

BEAR...the fact is that drug screeners are (in most cases) dealing with a cup of someone's (a stranger) piss.  

There are no rules that say, 

"Don't drink excessive water in the morning before you come in for your urine sample"
"Don't take a multi-vitamin on the day of a urine test"
"Don't take any type of nutrition supplement on the day of a test"

The drug screeners accept this fact and realize that "all piss isn't created equal."

Unless a fool walks in there after drinking two gallons of straight water (and taking 13 bathroom breaks),  there is slim to none chance of being accused of manipulating your urine sample.

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