Ahhh.... The bonds of institutionalized thinking....

I'm commenting on Duc748's posted message of 2/27. I have a problem with your title, "Honesty is better than deception." I agree with that statement, but not in the context of poly. I gave honesty in my poly. answers, I was accused of "deception." Unlike many others who have posted messages here, I have nothing to hide; I have never done anything seriously bad or illegal in my life. I never visited this site prior to my poly. (I wish I had). I was not worried about it. I thought, "you tell the truth, you pass." I really thought that it worked the other way; ie, you always pass if you tell the truth; but sometimes you may lie and still pass. Little did I know. I was totally honest, before, during and after the test. Now, after reading more on this site, I learned that the test was never properly explained to me. I thought that the fact that the examiner kept asking me the same questions meant that my answers were either inconclusive or deceptive. I think that made me worry, when I should not have. I started thinking and analyzing my answers more and more; and I think that gave wrong impressions/answers. I had 2 tests. The first was inconclusive. When I went to my second test, I explained to the examiner that I had known that I was having problems with my answers during the first test because the examiner continued to ask me the same questions. The second examiner never corrected me or advised me that I may not be asked any other questions (other than those discussed prior to the test). When he followed the same procedure in the second test, I really became nervous because, of course, he too kept asking the same questions we had discussed prior to the test. I was going through the test thinking that I was again either giving inconclusive answers and or the answers recorded were deceptive. I don't understand how you defend the poly. I don't understand how you attack this site. It is this site that explained to me the process (not the examiners). Unfortunately, I went on this site too late. This site is meant to educate people. I bet if you had failed the poly. test, you would have taken a different position. Honesty alone does not work. Believe me, I tried it. My honesty led to my labeling as a deceiving person. I'm honest regardless of what a machine said or an examiner thought. The FBI and other agencies have the means to run a thorough background on any person (at least, I hope they do). They should use those means. After all it is the Department of Justice. Justice must be done to all, including the applicants. The poly. test does not do and did not do justice to many, including me. Please rethink your position and put yourself in the shoes of the many innocent people who have been labeled as liars and in many instances criminals as a result of the poly. test.

MissionPoly-ban wrote on Feb 28^th, 2002 at 11:02pm:


Netnin,
    I find your lack of intelligence truely enlightening. Since you have tried to lie once to the board (Gino in particular) and now again, let me tell you the mistake you just made. 
    You have attempted to tell people that I sent you that quote from above. However, you neglected to check the number of posts that I have made. Amazingly enough, I have two #12 posts. The one you just made up, and my true post #12 here on this thread which I wrote to Drew at 14:36. Kind of hard to have made a 12th post (according to you) at 13:52. Don't you think?
   Your attempt to fake a quote also tells the members on this board how you feel about them. I have had off topic discussions with Drew and Gino and both know that I don't talk like that. 
    I have no need to converse with you further. As an FBI agent, I think you would have failed based on this.

Duc748

I think that is the absolutely poorest excuse I have heard from you yet in you attempts to cover up the fact that you have insulted everyone and anyone who frequents this board.

Kind of like the pathological liar who continues to make things up until they are backed up against the wall...and then THEY STILL make things up!

Do you think the masses of intelligent people who frequent this board are going to fall for your illogical defense?

Duc...I expected better than that from you.

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Do you really believe that the people that read this board are going to overlook the fact that a PRIVATE MESSAGE is not considered a post/not added in to the "total posts" sum?  

Your 12th post is your 12th post,  and your 13th your 13th.
Private messages aren't considered posts,  and most who use this site are aware of that.  Nice try,  but the people who use this site aren't the pathetic people you claim them to be.

Netnin

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Mark,
     As I don't know you, I really don't know what to say. I think polygraphs for "pre-screening" applicants is one thing, and polygraphs for individuals with many years of experience is another. Typically, pre-screening polygraphs are for individuals like myself. People that have never had a polygraph before and attempting to join an LE organization. We have no experience with the federal LE agencies. I think the poygraph has a place for individuals like myself in helping to "weed-out" certain individuals. I'm not going to go into the politics of possible racism or anything of the such, as I can't discuss issues like that with any knowledge.
    I can only talk about "my" experience with the system. As time goes on, I'm sure I'll learn more, but for now I can only go on what I know. I believe that the honest will pass the poly and those like Netnin will fail. 
    Your troubles sound familiar to those of CDR. Dick Marcinko, founder of Seal Team 6 and Red Cell. Investigated for many years by the government, but nothing was ever found on him. They created charges of theft (at least that's his side of the story) of a case of grenades and sent him to a federal pen for a couple of years.

Duc748,

Earlier today I was somewhat upset at the fact that Netnin claimed you sent him an inappropiate mail regarding the administrators and users of this site, but upon closer scrutiny
one can see you have been falsely accused.

The #12 Post and all that makes sense as your defense, but the thing that jumped at me was the fact that in your supposed instant message, you signed your name at the end "Duc748".  But in your style of writing you have never signed any of your posts with your name at the end. Netnin on the the other hand does....

This looks like an open and shut case.

Live long and prosper

Is it me, or is this the hottest topic going?

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I typed in polygraph on yahoo prior to my polygraph. This and the polygraphpalace were two sites that came up.

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As I said, I typed in polygraph on yahoo. No one directed me to the site.

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I am expressing my point of view on the process. Should I be censored for this? There maybe some individuals who are getting ready for the polygraph, that get on the internet, come across this site, then become terrified of the polygraph. I want those people to realize that you can pass the polygraph and that countermeasures don't need to be used.
 
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No. Nor do I want such a position. To boring in my point of view. 
My poly was just passed and now it's a matter of waiting on the background investigation before I get my class date. I've had 2 SSBI's in the past already, for my current clearance, so this is pretty mucha non-issue to me.

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I just did.

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Sorry. I'm not here to discredit the site. Knowledge is a good thing and I find this site interesting, personal points of view aside. 
You won't find any gov't conspiracy here.