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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #45 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 3:24am
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Mr. Maschke, you accomplish nothing with your childish taunts on the home page of your web site.  I assure you that no one will respond to Richardson's "challenge" for a variety of reasons, most of which he himself should be aware.  There will not be any response to this because surely government (state or federal) examiners would be severely chastized (at the very least) for doing so, and have probably been TOLD not to do so.   Richardson knows this and to think that a government examiner would jeopardize his job by responding to you is foolish and he knows this.  Private examiners simply are not going to do it...period. I know you will say that it was the examiners who said it, but that was ages ago (over a year ago at your count), so, you accomplish nothing save irritating most of the examiners who read this site and who may stop engaging in any "debate" with your proponents at all.  Placing that "challenge" and commenting about "cowardice" (to include the yellow banner) is childish and ignorant. Do yourself and your cause a favor and remove it...unless of your course your only original aim was to anger the examiners.  Before any of your fellow posters comment "see, we got one mad" .  I am not mad, I just view it for what I believe IMHO what it is intended to be.  Think about it George, you are only damaging your cause.
  
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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #46 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 5:09am
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Torpedo,

 Thank you for sharing your strong feelings on George’s polygraph countermeasure challenge. I sincerely appreciate your thoughts, comments and concerns. That being said, you do seem a bit “peeved” at George for posting the challenge. I on the other hand, applaud George’s efforts.

 I don’t think George is the least bit concerned about offending the professional polygraph community.

Final note; I also do not feel (strictly my opinion) that any polygrapher that visits this website is the least bit bothered by the countermeasure challenge.

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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #47 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 8:25am
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Torpedo,

If you genuinely believed that the temporary banner on the AntiPolygraph.org home page commemorating the one year anniversary of Dr. Richardson's polygraph countermeasure challenge was "only hurting [AntiPolygraph.org's] cause," I somehow doubt it would upset you so greatly as to motivate you to plead for its removal.

The banner is intended to inform the general public, who are being lied to by a community of polygraph "professionals" who falsely claim to be "dedicated to truth" (American Polygraph Association motto).

The polygraph community has indeed displayed great cowardice in refusing to offer any evidence in support of its publicly made claims to be able to detect countermeasures. The overarching reason that Dr. Richardson's challenge has gone a full year without takers is that the polygraph community has no confidence in its ability to reliably detect countermeasures.



  

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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #48 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 8:36am
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Torpedo wrote on Jan 29th, 2003 at 3:24am:
Mr. Maschke, you accomplish nothing with your childish taunts on the home page of your web site.


Looks like it's accomplished one thing, at least.

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so, you accomplish nothing save irritating most of the examiners who read this site and who may stop engaging in any "debate" with your proponents at all.


Since actual, logical debate from the polygraph proponents who visit this site is currently almost nonexistent, this wouldn't be a terrible loss. Wink

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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #49 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 3:48pm
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George, please do not misunderstand me. I am NOT pleading with you or your ilk to do anything. If I came across in that manner, please know that I would "plead" with you for nothing. I was merely making an observation.  At least you acknoledged that it was temporary; pewrhaps the dame you do to your reputation will also be temporary.  Despite Skeptic's comments (I stated this in the post) it did not make me angry.  You did cement the belief among polygraph examiners that they are talking to the proverbial "brick wall" and anything...ANYTHING they say will not even be considered as having any credence. There position then?.....why bother.  An old adage comes to mind: "It does no good to wrestle with a pig, you will both get dirty and the pig loves the mud".  Good day Porky!
  
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Reply #50 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 4:02pm
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Torpedo,

It would appear that the world of polygraph countermeasures leaves you with only two choices: the frustrated anonymity that you now display or the public embarrassment you would face if you were to accept the challenge.  George's banner (a great idea for letting the public know of the cowardly nature of the blustering con men who reside in polygraph suites) does not change that.
  
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Reply #51 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 9:18pm
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Proud to be an "ilk"  Grin

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Reply #52 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 9:24pm
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Anonymous,

Do all polygraph examiners fall under your description, "cowardly nature of the blustering con men who reside in polygraph suites"?

How many polygraph examiners do you actually know, not know of, but actually know?

Have you ever had the opportunity to observe a real world polygraph examination on a criminal subject?

You make some very strong indictments of all polygraph examiners, many of whom are far from "cowardly, blustering con men."

Are you quoting any particular study that indicates all polygraph examiners are cowardly?  Is there some basis of fact for a statement like the one you have made?  I'm sure you're not simply popping off without any valid scientific peer group review.  After all, guys like you and George profess to be all about scientific validity.

I am a polygraph examiner.  I don't think that I'm either a coward or a blustery con man.  None of the polygraph examiners I work with are cowardly or con men, although some might be a bit blustery on ocassion. 

What is it that you do for a living?  Just curious.  Are there any cowards or blustering con men in your line of work?  If so, does that make all of you the same?

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Reply #53 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 9:59pm
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Batman,

If you perform CQT polygraph exams preceded by stim (acquaintance tests) you are a de facto con man.  You've certainly exceeded all expectations in brilliantly passing the bluster test, and because I haven't seen your name on the I'm-qualified-and-I'm-able-and-willing-to-meet-the-challenge sign up list (needless to say a very short list at the present time), well...what can I say about the cowardice label???
  
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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #54 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 10:50pm
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Anounymous,

Nice try Numb Nuts,  but how about answering the questions I put to you?  You ain't afraid now are ya?

Come on, go back to my post and answer the questions.  Consider it a "challenge".  You seem to be all ballsy about meeting challenges.

My money says you don't know JACK shit about real polygraph examinations or examiners, other than what you've read on this site.  You're starting to sound like Beech Trees and smell like Triple X.

I've come clean on what I do, now it's your trun to stand tall.

If not, then maybe I should start throwing down a little chicken feed.

I'm starting to think you live in a hen house and shit through feathers. 

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Reply #55 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 10:57pm
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Batman,

You write:

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...I'm starting to think you live in a hen house and shit through feathers....


I'm beginning to feel a bit like a polygraph examiner.  I can push a few buttons and have you dancing at my command (rather foolishly I might add too).

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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #56 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 11:17pm
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Anonymous,

I guess your response says it all. 

I'd suggest you put up or shut up!  I've done called you out, and you done turned tail and run!

Until you stand tall and answer some simple questions, well, maybe we should just start calling you a cowardly blow-heart.

Look out for the rooster bucko, he's got a lock on your cute little chicken butt.  If you want to get out of the chicken coop then meet the challenge. (No cute little smiley face here.)

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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #57 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 11:26pm
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Batman,

You forgot to anonymousy threaten to kick his ass... or am I the only one that merits such professional conduct from you?
  

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Reply #58 - Jan 29th, 2003 at 11:28pm
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Batman,

As long as I'm kicking your ass in arguing the merits of any and all points raised, I don't believe I'll stoop to your level and try to argue hopelessly through the sort of self-delusion you display when citing the importance of your job description.  Not one iota of support to any position you raise is furnished thereby.  Sorry, pal…
  
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Re: Polygraph Countermeasure Challenge
Reply #59 - Jan 30th, 2003 at 12:14am
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Batman, way to go. I think we proved OUR point.  The majority of "the ilk" are self-serving idiots.  They will not answer our legitimate questions and are incredibly artful at "blustery"....hmmm, isn't that one of their words.  Hey, I have an idea, why don't we (the polygraph examiners) start using this "medium" to communicate with one another, slapping each other on the back (much like they do), and ignoring real world issues.  I still think (IMHO...they like to throw that around as forgiveness for personal attacks) George's loyalty to our country is questionable and most of those who post from his ILK are dolts who do not know better...they just follow like sheep.  One thing for sure....we can sleep easy knowing that none of them passed our examinations and hold positions requiring national security clearances.  Come to think of it, I wonder why George doesn't come back to the FBI (or some other agency) and attempt his countermeasures to get through the test.  Wouldn't that be an absolute test of the things he "stands" for?  Now let
let's see how they respond to these button pushes!!!!!
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