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Jan 25th, 2002 at 4:53am
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Hi everyone.  I just took a preemployment poly for a federal law enforcement agency.  The test lasted 4 1/2 hours.  The examiner was nice but he was following text book poly procedure.  We did 3 charts and he stated that I was having issues with a few questions.  He then gave me an opportunity to clear my chest and informed me what I might think is major really might be minor and that I should try to get over the mental hurdle I had hit.  He first alluded that I had failed the drug question.  I really have never tried anything in my life so I told him that I could not change my answer because there was no reason to.  He then stated that I had issues with the serious crime question.  He tried to play with me mentally by stating that sometimes we are present whne something bad happens beyond our control etc...  Again I stated that I had never been involved in or witnessed a major crime, which is the truth.  Finally he stated that there was an issue with the application truthfulness question.  Again I stated that I was absolutely truthful and had nothing to change.  He seemed really stuck on this issue and really wanted me to clear my chest and my mind so that I could pass the test.  I took the test a second time again with 3 charts.  He came back in a sterner fashion saying, "look something is bothering you and until we can get beyond that you won't be able to pass the application question, are you sure there is nothing bothering you?"  I again said no and we finished up.  He stated that I would here within a week and that most probably I will either have a second exam or be failed outright?  Could this be a tactic or is this probably true?  What really bothers me is that I already work in law enforcement and my answers were truthful.  What can I do.  He stated that a major issue was my slow deep breathering and that it appeared that I was trying to relax.  I hace a breathing problem with my nose so I explained that this might be an issue but that I was breathing normally.  I am upset that 1) I felt that I was being accused of wrongdoing when in fact I have done nothing wrong and 2) That I have wasted a year applying for a job that I won't get because of this stipid exam.  One weird thing did happen though.  This agency has already began my B/I.  I stated to the examiner that I wished that the B/I would stop if I failed because I did not want to have top explain to my co-workers that I failed the exam and thus did not get hired.  He stated that he would call the Investigator but that they will  continue the Investigation.  Why would they continue a B/I when I have failed the exam? or have I?  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is his questioning a few of my responses normal?  Thanks so much, John
  
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Re: Just Took the Test need some help
Reply #1 - Jan 25th, 2002 at 9:53am
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John,

I don't know why the agency with which you applied (or any federal agency) would procede with a background investigation of an applicant who "failed" a polygraph "test." Perhaps you didn't fail, after all.

Note that polygraphers are trained to believe that slow breathing is an indication of a deceptive examinee trying to beat the "test." It's simplistic, but so too are the other assumptions on which the pseudoscience of polygraphy is based.

If you haven't already done so, see AntiPolygraph.org's free book, The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. Chapters 3, 4, and 5 will be of special interest to you now.  These chapters expose the trickery behind the polygraph procedure, explain how to protect oneself against a false positive outcome, and how to best make use of the limited options for appealing a polygrapher's false accusations.
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 29th, 2002 at 2:52am
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Hey JohnfromCA,

I went through the exact thing.  Same speech about me having problems but no specific pinpoint of the "lie".  I was also told that I might have to take another one or might just fail.  Also that I'd know the results within the week...well, its been more than 2 weeks and I still haven't heard anything.  I was told by a source that the results take 2 weeks assuming HQ is not that busy (especially with 9/11  and security concerns.)

I am hoping that the examiner was trying to mess with our heads to get some type of confession of some sort.  Since u and I had nothing to admit, I don't know what else could've been done to confince the examiner.

I guess we'll just have to wait.  Who knows, maybe we'll be academy classmates (if it was the same agency which I think it is.)   

Goodluck
  
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Re: Just Took the Test need some help
Reply #3 - Jan 29th, 2002 at 5:24am
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JohnfromCa

Your poly sounded like a carbon copy of what i went through back in Dec for a fed LE agency.  Only difference was that i my examiner made me write 3 affadavits so that i'd "have a voice at HQ" when they reviewed my results.  I was told that within 3 weeks I'd hears omething, and so far I haven't heard a thing.  I think no news is good news.  MY BI was already finsihed by the time I got to the poly, so I have no way of finding out (except for calling) if I passed.  I haven't called, b/c I don't want them to think I have a guilty conscience or anything like that.  I will call this wek though, as it been over a month now - i should've heard something.  Perhaps "no news is good news" is true in these situations?

Good luck to you.
  
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