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What type of test should I be expecting
Dec 4th, 2001 at 4:39am
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What type of poly do you think I will be given since I have been scheduled for my poly on Saturday at 130 pm, I'm debating on whether I should use the countermeasures or not.  I was told that the polygraph test is going to take about an hour, so I'm just curious on what to expect.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 4th, 2001 at 8:01am
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Rock,

If you are applying for a job in public service (police, fire, etc), is overwhelmingly likely that you will see some variant of the Control Question Test (CQT).

Sure-fire relevant questions will center on drug use, drug sales and falsification of anything on the application. Other strong possibilities include questions about getting fired from jobs, major crimes, and cheating on the police exam.

The controls are likely to vary. Drunk driving, lying to family/friends, cheating in school/college, etc are some of the most common.

Best of luck--let us know how it turns out.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 5th, 2001 at 5:06am
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Whats up rock...

I would suggest using countermeasures if you plan on lying.
I have to admit that I was totally skeptical about all this countermeasure stuff, but when I found out that I passed a polygraph test (have seen the results to prove it) by using the oldest trick in the book--the tac in the shoe trick--I nearly keeled over and passed out.  It simply amazes me how truly easy it is to beat the test (assuming you are good at hidding the countermeasure well).  I lied on a couple of very relevant questions, and the countermeasure got me right through it.  The examiner didn't suspect a thing.  Considering the fact that most polys for PD's are probable lie control question tests, I am not even worried about taking them anymore in the future.  I know exactly what Im doing in a test like that.  Again, if you are going to lie, use countermeasures for sure. 

Remember, there only needs to be a significant change in two of the three areas.  Don't screw yourself by trying to use a sneaky breathing pattern change.  Instead, practice learning
how to breath normally, as in 20-30 breaths per minute, and keep your breathing that way throughout the whole test.  Don't let it change significantly at all. It is easiest to do this by making sure you say "no" on the exhale, because your breathing won't get thrown off by saying it on the exhale,and you can assure that the breathing tracings will stay nice and steady.

Accompany your normal breathing with a physical countermeasure.  While I know that the tac in the shoe is a risky trick, the beauty of it..if implemented correctly...is that you can create the heightened response as soon as you recognize the control question, and therefore you are gauranteed to have a heightened reaction that is counted in the right spot.  I also believe that pushing your toe hard enough into the tac causes a significant change in heartrate.

If your going to use the tac trick, take your pad out of your shoe and stick the tac through the padding so that when you put the padding back in your shoe, the tac will be sticking out right in front (and just past) your big toe.  You will need to experiment a bit with a few places so that when you walk you don't feel the tac at all. I was easily able to do this.  When the examiner is putting the equipment on you (THIS IS A PERFECT TIME TO DO THIS), push your foot hard on the floor so that your shoe sticks, and force your toe over the tac so that it is in place from there on out.  Movement is totally unnoticable because your toe will already be in place, and you will only need to move your big toe down (maybe a quarter centimeter at most?) to get some pain going.

When the exam is over, do the opposite--push your foot hard against the floor and pull your foot back in your shoe so that your toe is off and back from the tac.  You can practice this at home until you get it going like clockwork.

I was able to walk right in to the polygraph examiners office like I was ready to run a marathon, with a DAMN TAC sticking out in my shoe!  I stood right before him when the exam was over and had a conversation for a few minutes...never once did the tac cause a problem.

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Reply #3 - Dec 5th, 2001 at 6:12pm
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other than the tac trick will the biting of the tongue cause a significant heightened response, i ask this b/'c my friend took this polygraph at a different facility and they do have you remove your shoes for the testing, just curious?
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 5th, 2001 at 8:22pm
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Rock,

Any of the countermeasures described in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector will create a sufficient response. The tack-in-the-shoe method is not adviseable.  As you said, the polygrapher can ask you to remove your shoes. Although this is uncommon, since the other methods produce the same exact results, there is no reason to take this chance.
  
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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2001 at 4:55am
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Will the anal sphincter work in place of the tack? and when do i do the anal thing, before what questions?  or during the questions? and what questions?  and will just doing the anal squeeze thing work without haveing to worry about controling your breathing? thanks
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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2001 at 7:51am
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Superman:

If you haven't already done so, you need to download "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector" for information regarding relevant and control questions and polygraph countermeasures.  Countermeasures can't help you pass a polygraph "exam" until you understand the difference between relevant and control questions.  If you read "The Lie Behind the Lie Detector" you should have no problems discerning the control questions you will encounter during a typical polygraph exam.  The tac in the shoe is not an advised countermeasure since it can be defeated with counter-countermeasures (removing your shoes).

You might also want to consider visiting www.polygraph.com and ordering/downloading the manual "How to Sting the Polygraph" by Doug Williams. I used it in addition to the behavioral countermeasures found on this site, and passed without any problems.  Mr. Williams manual contains a little more information on employing the anal spinchter squeeze and provides visual charts for breathing countermeasures.  Additionally, ordering his manual gives you near instant access to him for questions.  The only reason I mention his manual is because I used it and it worked for me.

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Reply #7 - Dec 18th, 2001 at 8:02am
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Hey AMM,
Thanks for the quick reply i have downloaded what you suggested and have bought Doug's Sting deal, but i am still unsure, i just want to be 100% sure.  I have a better understanding on CONTROL's and RELIVANT, after reading NETIN's post, the guy is good!  One more question, on a CONTROL questions like "have you ever stole anything"? If i answer  yes, i contract the anal muscles, or if i answer NO do i need not do anything for counter measures.  I hope that made sense, thanks for you time, everyone on this site is very helpful and nice.
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Re: What type of test should I be expecting
Reply #8 - Dec 18th, 2001 at 9:19am
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Superman,

You're still unclear on the concept of probable-lie "control" questions. These are questions in response to which the polygrapher will attempt to steer you into a denial (a "no" answer), all the while expecting that your denial will be less than truthful. To pass the "test," one's physiological responses to the "control" questions must be stronger than one's reactions to the relevant questions. Thus, it is beneficial to subtly augment one's responses to all "control" questions that one clearly recognizes as such.

See Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector for more on "control" questions.
  

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Reply #9 - Dec 18th, 2001 at 9:42am
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Thank you sir that helped, i will notify ya on my results as soon as i am done, thanks
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