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Nov 21st, 2001 at 2:16am
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Just to get this straight,
The polygrapher asks you a control question, knowing that you will lie and therefor, they can see what your physiological response is to lying... from this, they compare it to a relevant question.... so one most try (if using countermeasures) to elicit the greatest physiological response possible to a control question in order to make any response to a relevant question seem minor.

Is this correct?

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Reply #1 - Nov 21st, 2001 at 2:53am
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Hey trout....here is what I believe to be a clear explanation of how the examiners use/create control questions.  This was a response I gave to someone who didn't have to fill out a lifestyles form.  For you, the examiner (assuming it will be a probably lie control quetions test which most are) will create the controls from your resposes in your lifestyle form/verbal review of lifestyle form ( And yes, you want to distinguish the control questions when the examiner goes over the questions he or she will ask right before the test, and you want to use countermeasures on the control questions ONLY).

My prior posting:

If it is a probable-lie control questions test (most likely), here is an example of what they will do:

Pre-test interview:  The examiner will go through a number of questions with you to see if you make any admissions.  During the interview, they will mix up relevant questions and questions that he or she will turn into control questions during the test.  Examiners make the examinee think that the questions they are asking (that they will turn into control questions during the test) are as equally important as the relevant questions.  This is not the case.  The examiner is going to ask the question (that he or she will turn into a control question during the test) and hope that you make an admission, so that during the test, you will be required to respond by saying "no," when the fact is that nearly all people would be considered liars by saying no as a response  (what the examiner is doing is asking you particular questions during the pre-test interview so that he or she can CREATE control questions to use specifically on you during the test).

Here is an example:

Pre-test interview: (the examinee may go over some questions very similar to the ones below and fill out a report on your admissions and responses)

1)Ever used drugs? relevant

2)Ever do any very serious felony crime that went undetected? relevant

3)Have you ever lied to anyone of authority? 
Question number three is the trick.  This is a question (example) that the examinee will turn into a control question during the test.   

-the examiner will ask you "have you ever lied to anyone of 
authority?"
-you will say yes
-The examiner will say, "ok...who can you think of that was an authority figure that you lied to"  (Making you think that this is a totally serious question, while it is not).
-You will say "ohh...a parent and a teacher"
-the examiner will say, "can you think of anyone else?"
-you will say "no"
{The fact is that most people have lied to a number of individuals of authority over their lifetime, and the examiner knows this and expects that you have lied to many people!}
-Next (this is important), during the test the examiner will ask you to respond to all questions with a yes or no.  You already told the examiner you can't think of anyone else you have lied to, so they expect you to say "no" to the idea of lying to anyone else.   
-The examiner will REWORD THE QUESTION ON YOU during the test by asking, "OTHER THAN WHAT YOU TOLD ME, is there anyone else of authority that you have lied to?"
-You are expected to say "no," and then obviously doubt your answer because most people aren't able to think of all the people they have lied to in their lifetimes.  This is the trick of the examiner to see what your physiological responses are like when you are doubting yourself and feeling anxiety, as you will question in your mind if your parents and teacher are the only ones you lied to.  This is WHAT THE EXAMINER WANTS!
They could care less if you lied to someone else (unless you stop in the middle of the test and say "I must confess...I'm a spy and have been deceptive toward the FBI for 10 years now"...lol).   
-Above is an example of how they will use a question during the pretest interview to get you to make admssions ONLY SO THAT THEY CAN TURN IT INTO A CONTROL QUESTION ON YOU.

More examples:
Question during the pretest interview:
"Have you ever stole anything before the age of 18?"
You say
"Yes"
They say
"Who"
You say
"A magazine, deck of cards..."
They say
"Is that it?"
You say
"Yes"
The examiner will then ask you during the test,
"OTHER THAN WHAT YOU TOLD ME, did you steal ANYTHING ELSE before the age of 18?"
***Again, the examiner expects all people to doubt themselves when responding by saying "no."  Again, the examiner expects an anxiety reaction to this control question.  And again, the examiner expects that ALL PEOPLE will doubt themselves when responding by saying "no."

It will be TO YOUR BENEFIT DURING THE pretest interview 
to make (MINOR MINOR MINOR!!!) admissions to these types of questions that will be turned into control questions during the test.  IT will benefit you in the sense that you will have a clear idea of what will be the control questions (because it will be clear that the question can be turned around on you and because it is not a serious question...VERY BROAD and VERY MINOR in severity).


Another question that may be turned into a control question:
Ever drove under influence?
You say yes
They ask how many times
You say ohh...a few
They say, can you think of any other times?
You say no
During the test:  "Have you ever drove under the influence any other times other than what you told me?"
Again, same rules apply...The examiner expects that all people who admit to drinking have drove A LOT while buzzing.  Again,  they expect an anxiety reaction because you will doubt yourself when you say "no" during the test.

This is the GAME polgraphers play. Pretty funny that they are the ones lying for sure during the test....

Advice: Listen carefully to the questions being asked during 
a polygraph test pre-test interview.  If they are very general questions (seem like questions that most people could respond to with a number of responses) and cover a long span of time, and if they seem like questions that can very easily be turned around on you as well, then you will be able to easily detect what will be the control questions.   It will be easier during the test than you think.  I wouldn't sweat about it or lose sleep at all.  Just think during the interview, "does this question really make me that bad of a person?  Don't most people do this particular act a NUMBER Of times in their life (lying to people, for example).

What the examiner will then do after you take off is look at the  chart and see if your responses to the control questions 
(called "PROBABLE LIE CONTROL QUESTIONS" because, as  I said,the examiner expects all to be lying when saying no to the questions turned around on them) are stronger or weaker than the responses to the relevant.  They figure if the person responded so strongly to the controls, but didn't respond much at all to the relevants, they are telling the truth.   If the responses to the controls are weaker than responses to the relevant, then they are lying.  (They base this on the idea that you are probably lying on the control questions by saying no, or atleast doubting yourself, and they expect a reaction from you that shows what you are like/how your body responds to anxiety.  If the anxiety to the controls is stronger than relevant, the relevant didn't bother you then and you must be telling the truth.  If your anxiety was less on controls than on the relevant, then you must be lying. 

They are comparing your responses to the relevants to the responses to the control, and they expect that you were feeling like a liar on the controls.  I suggest you re-read THE LIE BEHIND THE LIE DETECTOR until these ideas are clear in your mind. 

Hope this helped.

PS.  As far as countermeasures, I don't really know what to tell you other than using them on ONLY the control questions during the test.  I just took a test about a week and a half ago and used the tac in the shoe trick (don't do it...I practiced until it was unnoticable) on the controls, but haven't gotton the results back yet.  I would suggest, from all the reading I have done, that You tighten the anal pucker during the controls (totally easy to hide and unobvious) and take a slight pause in breath after responding "no."  I talked to an examiner that said pausing in breath after a question is a sure sign of deception, and I know for a fact that the anal pucker affects GSR (Sweating/electrical activity and bloodpresssure/heartrate).  That is the tactic I am going to use next time around if the tac in the shoe didn't come through for me.

SIncerely, Netnin 
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Trout:
Remember, Control questions are questions that nearly all the people in the world could make admissions to:  petty shoplifting/taking things from work, lying to authority figures,
driving after a few beers. They are broad questions and cover a large span of time.


Relevant are SERIOUS IN NATURE.  They are issues that, if you admit to them, will get you disqualified automatically:
Rape, Being in a notorious gang, doing felony crimes that didnt get caught for, etc.


ONE NOTE:  DONT ADMIT TO STEALING ANY MONEY FROM WORK.  THis comes off as being a control question/seem like one, but it IS NOT A CONTROL QUESTION!  They regard stealing money a serious and relevant issue.

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As far as you admissions in your lifestyle evaluation,
Don't admit to ANYTHING SERIOUS.  You will be canned or disqualified.

As far as drugs, if you did them, don't tell them you did any hard drugs more than just trying them once, and tell them the last time was 3 years ago.  If marijuana, tell them you experimented in highschool, did a dozen times. If you want, you could deny use of drugs totally, but it could become a relevant question.

Drinking, tell them you occassionally have a few beers here and there, or maybe a glass of wine on the weekens sometime with family.  They don't want potenial alchololics because of the job stress.

Stealing, tell them you took a pack of gum from work, or a couple items that totalled 10$.

(Don't make any damaging admissions that will hurt you.  Keep numbers REAL LOW if you did certain things liike weed, stealing, etc.  If you didn't do certain things, dont admit to anything or make any admissions at all. )



  
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Re: Control vs. Relevant
Reply #2 - Nov 21st, 2001 at 3:04am
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Trout...I DOn' make any admissions to anything serious:
Dealing drugs
Gangs
Stealing money from work
Rape
Robbery
Nothing serious.

The reason I say make minor admissions to things like drinking a little on some weekends (remember keep #'s low) or trying marijuana a few times (remember to say last time you tried it was over 3years ago) is because they expecte and accept that people EXPERIMENT with drugs, drink a little here or there, take a few dollars worth of materials from job, etc.

ITs when you start admitting to things like:
Smoked weed 200 times, last time was 4 months ago
Stole 400 dollar tv from work
Raped ex girlfriend (just for examples sake!)
Lied to the police about involvement in arson
Robbed a bank
THis is where it becomes a problem and gets you in trouble.

The Police commissioners look at number of times you did  drugs, when was last time, what type (did you do heroin 30 times? that will get you booted cause it is pretty serious stuff!) etc.   

I personally think if you admit to some of these smaller things, making sure your admissions aren't about serious stuff (im sure you have good judgement about what is serious and what is socially acceptable as far as teenage andcollege years ofyour life)  you will have an easier time picking out the control questions.

Usually,the examiner will turn the minor admission stuff around on you as a control question and say, "OTHER THAN WHAT YOU TOLD ME....." expecting that you will doubt yourself when you say "NO"


BE WELL WARNED, HOWEVER, that examiners will be sneaky and use the "other than what you told me..."
statement to throw you off on the start of a relevant question if they think you are using countermeasures.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 21st, 2001 at 3:18am
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If I have never used drugs then, would a polygrapher try to make drug use a relevant question?

If you want to check out the lifestyles questionairre, email me and ill send you the link... you can lemme know how you think they'll use it.

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Reply #4 - Nov 21st, 2001 at 7:16am
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Trout:

I am really not in a position to tell you what they might or might not do (I have only recently started studying the polygraph but do understand the nature of the control questions test very well).  The examples I gave seem to be the norm of how a Control Questions Polygraph Test is run, and it is in my opinion that you will be astounded during the test at how exact it corresponds to what you have read on the message board and in THE LIE BEHIND THE LIE DETECTOR.  The one I just took ran exactly how I told you, which is exactly how most of the tests were ran that are talked about here on the boards.   

What I suspect is that they will ask you about drug use in the interview, but only ask you about dealing drugs during the test (Relevant question of "HAve you dealt any drugs").

Question for you:  Are you planning on using countermeasures on the control questions? IF you are, your main concern should not be about admissions and relevant questions.  It should be on practicing recognizing control questions and practicing employing the anal pucker tactic (as well as learning to breath nice rounded breaths and make a slightpause after each control/or breath a bit more rapidly after the control). If you are going to use countermeasures, then stick with the plan of making MINIMAL and Insignificant admissions (should do that in any case or you will screw yourself) and employing the countermeasures correctly and at the right times.   

Don't admit to any serious things at all.  You could have dealt 3,000 pounds of marjuana (god I wish I could get my hands on some...lol :>) ) and it won't matter how you react on the dealing question as long as you heighten your responses to the control questions.   

LEt me simplify this for you:

DONT MAKE DAMAGING ADMISSIONS OR ANY ADMISSIONS ON RELEVANT QUESTIONs IN THE INTERVIEW

Make sure you recognize the control questions that will be used, as they are created out of YOUR RESPONSES in the pre=-test interview (which makes it a much easier task).

Apply effective countermeasures at the right times (READ THE LIE BEHIND THE LIE DETECTOR on how to do this properly).

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