George,
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It seems to me that you indeed simply made a guess at how polygraph countermeasures such as those described in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector might be detected from the examination of polygraph charts. You guessed that rounded pneumo tracings indicate that the subject employed countermeasures. Reid & Inbau seemlingly would disagree with you on this point. If you have a testable hypothesis regarding how polygraph countermeasures can be detected from the examination of polygraph charts, please state it formally.
A 1:2 respiration per second ratio would produce 30 breaths per minute. A 1:4 would produce 15 bpm. Let us Consider the known equation from ?The Machinery of The Body? Pg. 265, ?Normal resting values: 8 liters per minute = 0.5 liters X 16 per minute.? This would produce a 8000 ml per minute respiration. Giving the fact that normal respiration tidal volume for an adult is 500 ml at rest, one would respire 15000 ml in a minute at a 1:2 ratio and 7500 ml at a 1:4 ratio. The examples I provided show roughly a rate of 24 bpm, a 1:2.5 ratio, in the normal breathing, 12000 ml per minute respired, and roughly 20 bpm, a 1:3 ratio, in the controlled breathing section, 10000 ml per minute respired. Your examples produce 7000 ml above and 500 ml below normal resting respiration respectively, to extreme measures of implementation. My examples provide 4000 ml and 2000 ml above normal resting respiration respectively. Physiology documentation would not argue that respiratory norms do not very in adults. Some factors effecting respiration rate and volume are physical fitness, height, weight, gender, age, illness, and physiological defects in a given individual.
In the example you provided, Reid & Inbau are making a generalization of possible normal respiration tracings, which are illustrated in the form of character drawings and not true tracings. I believe the intentions of their illustrations are to exhibit that such tracings are not indicators per se of abnormal respiration. One must take into consideration the subjects medical history, all the other criteria I listed in the previous paragraph, and possible outside effectors. (i.e. noise disturbance, defective equipment, etc?) Finally, I have stated some areas of my hypothesis here with you. I have provide some information that is testable. However, you do not have the quantitative knowledge and ability to test these for validity. Those who do and wish to will be able to test the hypothesis in proper scientific forum.
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J.B., it is a fundamental principle of rational discourse that it is incumbent upon him who makes a positive assertion to prove it, not upon others to disprove it. If you can detect countermeasures from the examination of polygraph charts, prove it.
Actually, if I am not mistaken, Gino first introduced a proclamation, in this discussion forum, based on a study of countermeasures and you exclaim they work in your book. Thus, in you proposed discourse, it would be incumbent upon both of you to prove your assertion. Scientifically speaking, for one to prove their assertion s/he must provide re-occurring evidence and, if possible, have the ability to show or reproduce that which they assert. Again this study only speaks of the examiners ability to detect countermeasures. It did not purport that the study proved any of the countermeasures were effective at ?beating? the examiner or the exam. It did not focus on the issue of those deceptive subjects that attempted the employment of countermeasures and were scored deceptive. I do not recall the study saying if truthful subjects were not instructed in or exposed to countermeasures.
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Dr. Charles Honts (a noted psychologist) and Dr. Drew C. Richardson (a noted physiologist and former FBI Supervisory Special Agent) both stated that polygraphers cannot detect attempts at countermeasures better than chance during recent presentations to the National Academy of Sciences. Both men have extensive experience as polygraphers.
Once again, Dr. Honts and Dr. Richardson were basing their statements on the same one study that you have cited over and over again. I have already directed you to a study that says experimental studies are inferior to field studies. Further information is provided on this subject in reply to your next statement.
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Such studies were conducted by Professor Charles R. Honts and collaborators, published in peer-reviewed journals, and are cited in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector.
I again say you are beating a dead horse on the wrong racetrack. Do you have any other studies? I am certain people in the scientific community will agree with my assertion that it takes more then one study to prove an outcome as valid. It must be reproduced by others with similar findings and tested in other areas before it is accepted.
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From
http://www.admpoly.com/ccss_3.htm
A. Countermeasures
Countermeasures are anything that a subject might do in order to distort
or defeat a polygraph test. Detailed reviews of the scientific literature
on countermeasures are available in a number of locations.24 This research leads to several conclusions. First, there is no credible scientific evidence that drugs or other countermeasures designed to affect
the general state of the subject are effective against the CQT.25 However, laboratory studies have suggested the possibility that training in specific point countermeasures designed to increase responding to comparison questions might be effective in producing false negative outcomes.26 Nevertheless, it is also important to note that training in the countermeasures appears critical to their effectiveness.
Subjects who spontaneously attempt countermeasures or are only given the
information are unable to achieve effects,27 and the required identified in this journals charter was the psychophysiological detection of deception.
24 e. g., Supra note 18 at 373 (Honts & Perry); Charles R. Honts,
Interpreting research on polygraph countermeasures. 15 J. POLICE
SCIENCE AND ADMINISTRATION 204 (1987); Supra note 23 (Honts, et. al);
Raskin et. al., supra note 1.
25 Id., Honts (1987); Supra note 1 (Raskin et al.); David C. Raskin,
1986 The Polygraph in 1986: Scientific, Professional, and Legal Issues
Surrounding Application and Acceptance of Polygraph Evidence, UTAH LAW
REVIEW 29 (1986).
26 See e.g.. Honts, et al., Supra note 22.
27 Rovner(1986), supra note 7; also see, Charles R. Honts, David C.
Raskin, John C. Kircher, & Roben L. Hodes, Effects of spontaneous
countermeasures on the physiological detection of deception, 16,
Training is hopefully difficult to obtain. 28 Honts and Perry note that while there are no easy answers to the problem of countermeasures, it appears that computerized analysis of the physiological records substantially reduces the false negative rate attributable to countermeasure
use.29
JOURNAL OF POLICE SCIENCE AND ADMINISTRATION, 91 (1988).
28 Supra note 18 at 376 (Honts and Perry); there are no field
studies that address the countermeasures.
29 Id at 374; also see supra note 22 (Honts et al., 1994).
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No. As I recall, in the studies by Honts et al. cited in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector, "innocent" subjects were not given countermeasure instruction.
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You next adduce a list of non-peer-reviewed studies (for which you provide inadequate citations) purporting to support the validity of "Control" Question "Test" (CQT) polygraphy and ask me to "scientifically disprove" them. Again, I remind you of the basic principle that it is incumbent upon him who makes a positive assertion to prove it, not on others to disprove it. CQT polygraphy has not been shown by peer-reviewed scientific research to differentiate between truth and deception at better than chance levels of accuracy under field conditions. Moreover, since CQT polygraphy lacks both standardization and control, it can have no validity.
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For more on the scientific status of polygraphy, see Chapter 1 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector and the sources cited there. See also Professor William G. Iacono's recent article, "Forensic 'Lie Detection': Procedures Without Scientific Basis."
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From
http://www.admpoly.com/ccss_3.htm
A second and more important indicator of the acceptance of polygraph
testing in the scientific community is provided by the large number of
original scientific studies published in peer-reviewed scientific
journals. Studies reporting positive results for the validity of the
polygraph have appeared in journals such as: The Journal of Applied
Psychology, The Journal of General Psychology, Psychophysiology, The
Journal of Police Science and Administration, Current Directions in
Psychological Science, Psychological Bulletin, The Journal of Research
in Personality, and Law and Human Behavior, to name but a few. To
be published in any of these journals, the editor first sends an article
out for review by two or three independent scientists who know the area
but are not personally involved with the article under consideration.
Those peer-reviewers comment on the quality of the literature review,
the research design, the statistical analysis, the reasonableness of the
conclusions drawn, and the appropriateness of the article for the
respective journal. The Editor of the journal also reviews the article
and, based on her or his evaluation and on the comments and
recommendations of the reviewers, makes a decision about publication.
Often revisions are required before publication. Articles with
unacceptable scientific methods, statistics, or insupportable conclusions
are not published. Articles which are not acceptable within the scientific
discipline covered by the journal are simply not published in that journal.
For example, the Journal of Applied Psychology rejects 85% of the
manuscripts submitted to it for publication. Articles which report matters
that are not acceptable psychological science do not usually make it through
the peer review (unwise to use the Iacono and Lykken data for any substantive purpose at
this time) process and are not published in the Journal of Applied Psychology.
The Journal of Applied Psychology has published numerous articles
on the psychophysiological detection of deception.22 The publication of numerous articles
in main stream journals of scientific psychology gives a clear indication that the psychophysiological detection of deception is generally accepted as valid science by the community of
scientific psychologists.
The increasing acceptance of the psychophysiological detection of
deception is evidenced by the increasing number of scientific publications
on the topic and the involvement of a larger number of psychological
laboratories. In addition, a new peer-reviewed archival scientific journal
devoted to the topic of credibility assessment began publication in early
1997.23
22 Some of the articles on the polygraph published in the
Journal of Applied Psychology are as follows: P. J. Bersh, A
validation study of polygraph examiner judgments, Journal of Applied
Psychology, 399, 53 (1969); P.O. Davidson, Validity of the guilty
knowledge technique: The effects of motivation. Journal of Applied
Psychology, 52, 62-65 (1968); E. Elaad, Detection of guilty knowledge in
real-life criminal investigations. Journal of Applied Psychology, 75. 521-529 (1990); E. Elaad, A. Ginton & N. Jungman, Detection measures in real-life criminal guilty knowledge tests. Journal of Applied
Psychology, 77, 757-767 (1992); A. Ginton, D. Netzer, E. Elaad & G.
Ben-Shakhar, A method for evaluating the use of the polygraph in a real-life
situation. Journal of Applied Psychology, 67, 131-137 (1982); C. R.
Honts, R. L. Hodes, & D. C. Raskin, Effects of physical countermeasures on
the physiological detection of deception. Journal of Applied
Psychology, 70, 177-187 (1985); C. R. Honts, D. C. Raskin, & J. C.
Kircher Mental and physical countermeasures reduce the accuracy of polygraph
tests, Journal of Applied Psychology, 79, 252-259 (1994); Supra note
16 (Horvath); Supra note 2 (Kircher & Raskin); Supra note 13 (Patrick, &
Iacono); Supra note 7 (Podlesny & Truslow).
23 The Journal of Credibility Assessment and Witness
Psychology published its first issue on 7 February 1997. One of the main topics
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On a final note, you assert that "a study reported by Rovner (1986; Rovner, Raskin, & Kircher, 1978) has clearly demonstrated that secrecy about the nature of the CQT is not necessary to maintain its validity."
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On what theoretical basis can sophisticated subjects (that is, those who understand the nature of CQT polygraphy, "the lie behind the lie detector," if you will) be expected to produce stronger physiological reactions to "control" questions if truthful and, conversely, to the relevant questions, if deceptive? When I put this question directly to Professor Honts (via his CAAWP discussion list), he declined to answer.
Throughout our discussion and assertions of studies, I would think it can be accepted and agreed upon that there are no available scientific studies that proves one can achieve better or desired results with the implementation of countermeasures. Would you suggest to a person who did not touch or access the safe in a burglary that they should wipe clean all fingerprints from the safe? Or to the person who did commit the crime to place more of their fingerprints on the safe? This is not a rational process of thought. To suggest one to distort or add to a sample is not logical. If evidence or data is distorted or altered, it would give suspect to the motive of the person doing so.