Polygrapher:       hi 

Me:       Hey whats up polyster... 

Me:       I have to admit I have talked to quite a few of you examiners and have found so much conflicting response that it is clear you guys have either been taught to protect your test, or you have been brainwashed...which one is it? 

Me:       Seriously...which one is it? 

Me:       I've already had a few of you guys crack under the anonymity of the internet messaging and give in to the truth..... 

Polygrapher:       its just we dont trust someone that is tring to get info on how to beat a polygraph 

Me :       Here is the response one of your fellow graphers gave in regards to beating the test: 

Me:       1) This would depend upon the type of equipment being used by the examiner. If properly equipped, pushing down on the foot would be detected. The subject would also have to know various techniques. In particular he would have to know the technique that the examiner was using so he would know when to push his foot down (assuming there was a lack of equipment to detect physical counter measurers)
 
Me:       2) It would be recorded on the chart .(Providing the examiner was using such equipment) Otherwise the examiner would have to catch him. 
 
Me:       This isn't the only polygrapher who gave in, just one that was blunt about the truth... 

Polygrapher:       what truth 

Me:       About the reality of potentially beating a test, even using a simple countermeasure.... 

Polygrapher:       LOL 

Me:       lol 

Polygrapher :       u writing a book or are u a criminal 

Me:       Here is some food for thought that crossed my mind 
the other day...and discussed with other examiners: 

Me:       No I'm going to law school remember! 

Me:       silly 

Me:       I'm practicing articulating arguements... 

Me:       but back to my food for thought... 

Polygrapher:       you are talking to the wrong people 

Me:       No kidding...lol 

Polygrapher:       have u talked to *&%$#$ ? 

Me:       I'm waiting for his response to my email I sent out 

Me:       I messaged him and he said he woulod reply via 
email 

Polygrapher:       he was just on 

Me:       Yeah I talked to him for a split sec...he was busy 

Me:       But back to what I was going to say 

Polygrapher:       u are tring to prove that polygraph doesnt work 
Polygrapher:       event if u can prove it 

Me:       no not at all 

Me:       listen for a sec though... 

Polygrapher:       that is what it seems to me 

Me:       The majority of the graphers I've talked to on the internet have ranted and raved about how absolutely EASY and OBVIOUS (with capital E and capital O) it is to recognize countermeasures on the actual polygraph chart itself.... 

Me:       With that said, let me finish.... 

Polygrapher:       go on 

Me:       These same polygraphers who have argued this point to me have stressed time and time again the counter-countermeasures they use, such as wiping a persons fingers clean, looking for a limping walk(tac in the shoe), watching jaw movement to indicate someones biting the tongue, the new sensors put in to the newer seats to determine movement, recording the test to watch over and see if the person was moving to try and beat the test, etc etc etc!   
Let me finish before you react
 
Polygrapher:       u have been busy 

Me:       These polygraphers are also the ones who use the fear tactic of warning/intimidating the examinees by stating, '"Are you trying to beat this test with countermeasures? I';ll stop the test right now and fail you!"
let me finish 

Me:       Now you explain to me, with any type of good explanation, why polygraphers would need to worry about any of these things if the countermeasures were so easily detected on paper, as so many of them say they do.  If the truth was that it is "VERY EASY" to notic e on paper, there would be no need to bother going to such drastic measures to detect and look for countermeausures, because the examiner could then simply just look at the chart and supposedly easily notice the countermeasures (as they say they can)   

Me:       and fail the person... 

Me:       plain and simple 

Me:       If it was so easy to detect on paper, there would be none of these things going on...there would be no need for sensors in chairs, intimidation, asking examinees if they have studied the detector, asking them to take their shoes off...etc 

Me:       It simply, plainly, does not make sense, and I believe the idea that countermeasures are "so obvious on paper" is absolutely nonsensical... 

Me:       Whats your reaction to that? 

Polygrapher:       because if people were smart they wouldnt try 

Polygrapher:       people are stupid 

Me:       Thats your response... 

Me:       That gives light to nothing.... 

Me:       sorry to be blunt... 

Polygrapher:       what is that u want to know? why people try to beat the polygraph?  If its so easy to spot? 

Me:       Did you miss my entire point?   

Me:       Let me sum it up in a few words... 

Me:       Why would polygrapers need to go to such great lengths in trying to detect countermeasures in the act (asking them to remove shoes, wiping fingers clean, putting sensors in the seats, looking for unusual jaw movement, etc) if it is apparantly such an easy task to notic countermeasure on the chart readings? 

Me:       It doesn't make sense... 

Polygrapher:       because the object of the test is to get a accurate test 

Me:       If it were so easy, as nearly all the examiners I have talked to say it is, to detect the countermeasures simply by looking at the charts, then why go through the hastle, or even bother for that matter, to try and catch them in the act...there would be no need.. 

Me:       That doesn't make sense either...if the person is telling the truth then there will be as accurate a reading as possible 

Polyrapher:       NO 

Me:       IF they are lying and not using countermeasures, they should fail due to the fact that the test does work pretty well when people are clearly lying   

Me:       But if the person is using countermeasures it is MOST LIKELY (as in probably 99 % ) that the person is lying and trying to beat the test 

Polygrapher:       if the person tries to beat the polygraph and its not cought the test is inconclusive 

Me:       Still doesn't make sense, because if it is easy to detect COUNTERMEASURES on the actual chart, as most examiners have said it is an easy task, then they can simply look at the chart and say, "this person tried to use countermeasures"   

Me:       It seems clear that it is not an easy task to determine whether they are countermeasures or normal reaction on the chart 

Polygrapher:       the examiner does not want an inconclusive Chart 

Me:       Your missing my point...the chart would come up inconclusive, but the examiner would still be able to say, "Inconclusive, but the examinee used countermeasures" 

Me:  A person detected of using countermeasures is automatically FAILED

Me:       if countermeasures were so easily detected on the graph 

Me:       Why would an examiner care if they came up with an inconclusive chart if they say they KNOW countermeasures were used just by looking at the chart? 

Me:       They would say "Inconclusive, and the person used countermeasures" 

Me:       Sure they don't want inconclusive charts because they want closer to the test, but they sure as hell wouldn't mind saying "inconclusive but countermeasures were used" 

Polygrapher:       if its not true or lie its inconclusive 

Me:       But it appears to me, after studying up, that detecting countermeasures on the chart isn't a simple task at all, and that the idea that the reactions to countermeasures "not cohering to normal nervous reactions" is garbage. It appears obvious that most polygraphers would have a hell of a time distinguishing countermeasures on the chart. 

Me:       Plain and simple, there would be no need for examiners to use counter-countermeasures...end of discussion 

Polygrapher:       oh yes I for got U know it all 
      u should be an attorney they are all    know          alls lol thats why most of them are scum...nite
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As you can see, polygraphers are obviously trained to protect their test!

George:

Thanks for responding....

Even more astounding than the fact that no one has been willing to "discuss" how countermeasure tracings differ from normal physiological anxiety reactions is the fact that NO ONE has LEAKED INFORMATION out about how the distinction can be made.  Lets get serious here...if examiners were able to make such a distinction, one of them (of the THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS of testers in the WORLDDDDD!) would break free from the norm and let the information go.  Not only let the information go, but let it go in a way where we would be able to go to a search engine such as "GOOGLE," type the words "Polygraph Scoring" in to the search term, and come up with some form of literature that reveals this so called "ability to distinguish between countermeasures and normal reactions on a polygraph chart."  This is the 21'st century, and that is the way the world works.  Let me ask any polygrapher who reads this message one simple question:
Do you honestly feel that if there were information out there regarding distinguishing countermeasures on polygraph charts, that it wouldn't already be posted on twenty different internet sites (REGARDLESS of how secret it is supposed to be kept)?  We are talking about DIFFERENCES IN LINES! That's  it!  We aren't talking about Top-Secret United States intentions in Afghanistan....OH WAIT--that information has probably already gotton out.  Get my point?