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Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Nov 16th, 2023 at 5:39am
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I think that provided none of your admissions involved conduct that you had previously denied, the passage of time will have likely mitigated any security concerns (especially if at the time of your travels, you did not yet hold a security clearance). So I do not think that you are likely blackballed for life from ever holding a security clearance with any agency at all. It might be easier with an agency other than the CIA, however.
Posted by: MrPibb
Posted on: Nov 15th, 2023 at 10:47am
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Thank you for the reply.  I will provide a bit more information on my situation.  I was going to work on a CIA contract so I had to take a full scope poly to upgrade to SCI.  I am a single guy who has traveled throughout Asia for vacation.  The polygrapher started grilling me on foreign travel and foreign contacts.  He wanted to know everything I did on my trips and I told him what sights I have seen and what I did in the evening, which included bars and clubs.  He starts asking me about those Asian hostess bars where girls walk around half naked and I told them I visited a few.  Then it got weird and he starts asking me if I would touch the girls' bodies and if I let the girls touch my private parts.  I told him I did do this a few times because it was pretty standard and all in fun.  He even asks me about massages and if I ever touched the masseuse.  I admitted to this as well.  One thing led to another and he ends up labeling me a sexual deviant who has paid for numerous sexual services and made me sign a form admitting to this.  The polygrapher completely twisted my story because I never said I paid for sex, a blow job, or even a happy-ending hand job at the massage parlor.  However, he claims I admitted to enough acts of prostitution based on what I told him.  What the f**k yo!

Soon thereafter I am called into the security office at my work and told that I did not pass the polygraph and that my current TS clearance was being suspended.  They already had a clearance suspension letter typed up for me with the reasons being sexual and personal conduct.  I was immediately placed on unpaid leave and escorted out the door.

Well, unpaid leave to me means UNPAID.  I sat around for a couple months doing nothing then realized this issue was not going to get resolved any time soon so I quit as soon as I found another job, which did not require a clearance.  I have been at this new job for the past ten years or so and now I am looking for new jobs again and I am considering applying for jobs that require a clearance, even if just a Secret clearance.

I don't want to waste my time applying if I am blackballed for life.

George W. Maschke wrote on Nov 14th, 2023 at 8:15pm:
To the best of my knowledge, JPAS incident reports did not expire. (A Department of the Navy [url= Documents/jpas-manual-policy.pdf]document[/url] specifically states (at p. 2), "Data will be permanently retained within JPAS...")

That document also states that "if no action occurs on the individual record for twenty-four months , the record will be purged from display and archived."  I wonder if this means investigators and adjudicators can or cannot see my purged incident report?
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Nov 14th, 2023 at 8:15pm
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To the best of my knowledge, JPAS incident reports did not expire. (A Department of the Navy document specifically states (at p. 2), "Data will be permanently retained within JPAS...")

While JPAS has been supplanted by the Defense Information System for Security (DISS), I expect that information contained in JPAS has been and will be preserved.

Based on what you've written here, I am unable to form an opinion on whether the incident report would preclude you from holding a security clearance at this time.
Posted by: MrPibb
Posted on: Nov 14th, 2023 at 3:46am
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I failed a poly as part of a clearance upgrade from TS to TS/SCI many years ago. They suspended my clearance and I quit rather than get fired. My coworker got arrested, had her clearance suspended, and she quit as well. Both cases happened 11 years ago.  I assume incident reports went on file but were never adjudicated since we both quit.   

If either of us reapplied for a cleared-job now, would these incident reports still be on file?  Can we get cleared again if we had no other issues after all od these years?

Please link to examples of similar cases if you have them.