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Posted by: RobbieG
Posted on: Jun 14th, 2022 at 3:26pm
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Thank you for the correction on Hanssen. I forgot that the polygraphy fetish is a relatively recent phenomenon from the last 20 years or so.
Posted by: Byron Johns
Posted on: Jun 14th, 2022 at 2:55pm
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RobbieG wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:12pm:
2001 - Robert Philip Hanssen - veteran FBI agent - spied for USSR and Russia from 1979 until he was arrested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

2015 - Carl Force - DEA agent -  extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice in connection with the Silk Road case.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/corrupt-silk-road-dea-agent-carl-force-ge...

2017 - Shaun W. Bridges - Secret Service agent on the Silk Road task force convicted of money laundering and theft.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-secret-service-agent-sentenced-scheme-rela...



Thanks for this.  George is right.  I didn't include Hanssen's famous case because he was never polygraphed.  I've added Force and Bridges (though I didn't take the time to validate if they passed a poly during their crimes) to my corresponding blog post as well. On that blog post, which I stickied as my top post and will continue to update, I listed even more cleared federal employees that have passed the poly while concealing crimes in the last couple of years.  I haven't posted in this forum in a while but I occasionally lurk.  I still support informing everyone of how the polygraph works BEFORE they take the "test."  The whole polygraph process is a joke.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Jun 14th, 2022 at 7:38am
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RobbieG wrote on Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:12pm:
2001 - Robert Philip Hanssen - veteran FBI agent - spied for USSR and Russia from 1979 until he was arrested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen


Note that Hanssen was never polygraphed during his FBI employment. He joined the FBI years before the Bureau implemented mandatory pre-employment polygraph screening.

In fact, it was in response to the Hanssen espionage case that the FBI vastly expanded its polygraph screening of current employees. In doing so, the FBI completely disregarded the advice of its senior scientific expert on polygraphy, the late Dr. Drew C. Richardson. See his memorandum, "Polygraph Screening in Light of the Robert Hanssen Espionage Investigation."
Posted by: RobbieG
Posted on: Jun 13th, 2022 at 4:12pm
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2001 - Robert Philip Hanssen - veteran FBI agent - spied for USSR and Russia from 1979 until he was arrested.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Hanssen

2015 - Carl Force - DEA agent -  extortion, money laundering and obstruction of justice in connection with the Silk Road case.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/corrupt-silk-road-dea-agent-carl-force-ge...

2017 - Shaun W. Bridges - Secret Service agent on the Silk Road task force convicted of money laundering and theft.
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-secret-service-agent-sentenced-scheme-rela...


Posted by: troll_of_truth
Posted on: Jun 11th, 2022 at 1:16am
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Here is a June 2022 updated story on Joshua Schulte:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/06/13/the-surreal-case-of-a-cia-hackers-...

It sounds like Schulte had the motive and opportunity to commit the CIA Vault 7 leak out of spite.  However, to this day, the CIA still cannot convict him.  Schulte still has not gone to trial for child porn and sexual assault.  The polygraph-passing Schulte could very well beat these charges, and prove that the polygraph is useless on those informed about it.  This is why everyone should understand how the polygraph works.  The main rule is to just relax and not confess to anything!
Posted by: fatbob
Posted on: May 15th, 2020 at 7:23pm
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Great list, I had a discussion with a polygrapher, and how my opinion of the polygraph was voodoo science, i mentioned Ames and Ridgeway, and the problem with the false positive and Melvyn Foster.  He called me ignorant and didn't know what I was talking about.
Posted by: Byron Johns
Posted on: Apr 13th, 2020 at 6:04am
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I wanted to start a thread where we can all post actual examples, of law enforcement, intelligence community, and other U.S. government employees who had to pass polygraphs for their jobs, meanwhile concealing crimes. 

I will start this list.  Some of these people had Top Secret/ SCI clearances and passed their pre-employment or routine 5-year security clearance review polygraphs while hiding criminal activity.  These are U.S. government employees, federal agents, and other "trusted" U.S. citizens who beat the machine.  If they can beat it, anyone can.

2020 - Jose Ismael Irizarry - DEA Agent - charged with money laundering in Columbian drug scheme
https://www.nytimes.com./2020/02/23/us/dea-agent-arrested.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/former-dea-agent-arrested-money-laundering-scheme-col...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/02/24/dea-cartel-laundering-money/

2020 - Joshua Schulte - NSA and CIA employee - accused of CIA Vault Wikileaks leak, the trial resulted in a hung jury.  Also charged with possession of child porn, which he had in his possession during his CIA polygraphs
https://www.nytimes.com./2020/02/04/nyregion/cia-leak-wikileaks-trial-Joshua-Sch...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Schulte

2019-2020 - Fernando Gomez, DEA Agent and U.S. Marine - convicted for crimes involving a drug and firearms trafficking.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/us-narcotics-agent-admits-role-in-decade-l...
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-dea-agent-fernando-gomez-sentenc... (story also attached as a hacked pdf in case you are unable to view the article without signing up)

2019 - Ron Rockwell Hansen - DIA Officer - convicted in 2019 of attempted transmission of classified information to China.
https://www.nytimes.com./2019/09/24/us/china-intelligence-sentence.html

2019 - Harold Thomas Martin III - NSA Employee - stealing classified info from NSA
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_T._Martin_III
https://www.nytimes.com./2019/03/28/us/politics/hal-martin-nsa-guilty-plea.html

2018 - Nghia Hoang Pho - NSA Employee - stealing classified info from NSA
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/former-nsa-employee-sentenced-prison-willful-rete...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/25/nghia-hoang-pho-former-nsa-deve...

2017 - Lee Robert Moore - U.S. Secret Service Officer  - convicted and sentenced to 20 years in prison for sending sexually explicit messages to minors, sometimes while on duty at the White House!
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-secretservice-sexcrimes/ex-u-s-secret...
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-secret-service-officer-gets-20-years-sex...

2017 - Kun Shan Chun, a/k/a "Joey Chun," - FBI Electronics Technician - convicted of spying for China during his FBI employment.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/former-fbi-employee-sentenced-manhattan-fed...

2001 - Ana Montes  - DIA Officer - convicted of spying for Cuba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ana_Montes
https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/ana-montes-cuba-spy

1994 - Aldrich Ames - CIA Officer - convicted of spying for Russia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldrich_Ames

1986 - Larry Wu-tai Chin - CIA Employee - convicted of selling classified information to China
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wu-tai_Chin


These are our trusted, Top-Secret-cleared, polygraph passing, federal employees.  Let's keep this going, focusing on people who likely passed polys during their ongoing criminal activities.  Add more!

 
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