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Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Jan 9th, 2019 at 9:25pm
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Check out this video. "How DIA Monitors Employee Behavior – Steve McIntosh".

This is the guy that this whole thread is about. Makes me sick to even listen to him. Notice how he says they have oversight on what the IG is doing?

https://www.govtechworks.com/talking-tech-how-dia-monitors-employee-behavior-ste...

Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Jul 9th, 2018 at 1:06am
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I recently ran across this story on clearancejobs.com - https://news.clearancejobs.com/2017/05/23/new-security-clearance-criteria-releas...

I was astonished to discover SEAD-4, National Security Adjudicative Guidelines. http://ogc.osd.mil/doha/SEAD4_20170608.pdf

This directive, signed by Clapper, took effect on 08 June 2017 and is consistent with existing policy under DODI 5210.91.

Appendix A states; "No adverse action concerning these guidelines may be taken solely on the basis of polygraph examination technical calls in the absence of adjudicatively significant information."

If no one cares to enforce DODI 5210.91, will they enforce SEAD-4?  There are 13 guidelines to consider when adjudicating access to classified information. I note that nowhere is the polygraph mentioned under these guidelines.

You know why? Because the polygraph is a supplement to, not a substitute for other methods of investigation.....

Posted by: John M.
Posted on: May 1st, 2018 at 12:09pm
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In January last year, DIA implemented a new policy to require all of its contractors to successfully complete a Counterintelligence Scope Polygraph (CSP) examination.

http://www.dia.mil/Portals/27/Documents/Business/Contractor%20Personnel%20Securi...

If DIA has tens of thousands of contractors worldwide, and they openly admit to a 21% annual failure rate for CSP examinations, it would be expected that thousands of people would be/are being punished.  Is this happening?

#EPPAforall
#stoppolygraphabuse
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2018 at 5:55pm
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I realize now, that not hiring a lawyer was a mistake. One that allowed the government to take advantage of me, and deny my request. This is what I submitted:
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Apr 23rd, 2018 at 4:45pm
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Here's the link to the ECAB decision. They mistakenly determined that the decision to reassign me was not solely based on my inability to pass the polygraph (no one ever said that), that two polygraph tests per year was not considered excessive, and that no standards were violated when they took the unfavorable actions against me.

Through interrogatories, affidavits, testimonies, emails, letters to my Congressman and many other memos, I have the indisputable material proof that the only reason for taking unfavorable administrative actions against me was because of my inability to "pass" the polygraph.

It is a fact that approved and relevant DOD and DIA regulations explicitly direct that individuals with emotional, psychological or other mental disabilities should be exempted from polygraph examinations and interrogations. I presented them with numerous medical reports and they continued with the abusive treatment.

They approved my disability retirement based on these reports, but now I can't get them to pay for my medical bills.

They lie and no one will or can hold them accountable.

https://www.dol.gov/ecab/decisions/2017/May/16-1575.htm

#stoppolygraphabuse
#EPPAforall
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Apr 20th, 2018 at 4:45pm
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I apologize if some of this is repetitive - it is a combination of some of my posts on other threads and simply serves to help further explain my experience.

As we all know, people can “fail” the polygraph for several reasons.  These are called false positives, and happen at a rate of 10-50%, depending on who you ask.  The point is, it is an indisputable fact that there are an infinite number of reasons that can cause ones physiological reactions to mimic what is termed the “lie reaction.”

In my case, I was clinically diagnosed with an anxiety disorder – a disorder that was exacerbated by being forced to undergo five polygraph interrogations in three years. Conducting a polygraph examination on an individual with a psychological disability is illegitimate.  Punishing that individual based solely on those ill-gotten results is obvious discrimination.

My first polygraph session lasted for about three hours, and resulted in a score of “No Opinion”.  Throughout that session, the interrogator/polygrapher would stop the “test”, and say that he was seeing “something”.  He told me that it involved the question related to handling classified information.  He said that he was seeing “signs” that something was bothering me - maybe it didn’t even have anything to do with the question.  Maybe I was gay, or I was cheating on my wife, or maybe I did drugs.  He suggested all kinds of horrible things, and said if I just told him about it, we could get past it and get the test over with. I told him about our office’s sometimes confusing policies on handling classified information - he said that wasn’t it.

I was called back two days later.  I already knew which question was causing me to react excessively, and I couldn’t do anything about it.  This time they were ready for me.  They even used a good guy/bad guy approach, telling me that if I would just confess to whatever it was that was bothering me, we could be finished.  I told him more details of how I was tasked to move, or remove classified media from different classified systems – often not knowing if what I was doing was approved or not.  Once again, he said that wasn’t it, and that I needed to come clean with him.

This is a very important point - once they tell you that you are reacting “deceptively” to a question, it is virtually impossible to not, not react again the next time.  This is the fear reaction that Dr. Richardson knew so much about.  Because of my anxiety disorder, I was overwhelmed with fear.  Fear of failure.  When the failure will result in terrifying consequences, this “fear reaction” is intensified.  Once I was accused, it was impossible for me to suppress that reaction.  This fear reaction is fraudulently being labeled as a lie reaction.  Once again, I was judged as “No Opinion”.

10 months later, I was summoned to HQ DIA for another round of questions and interrogations, followed by more polygraph.  My anxiety was out of control from the moment I was notified of the trip to DC.  Predictably, I “failed” miserably, had a nervous breakdown, and was judged “Significant Response”.

I returned to work and continued as if nothing happened until five months later.  I was summoned once again to appear for more questions and interrogations, followed by more polygraph examinations.  I have no idea how, but this time the examination was judged “No Opinion”.  Again, I returned to work without any restrictions.

Two years and two months later, after recently having been stripped of my clearance and physically removed from my workspace, I was sent again to DC.  I was told that if I could “pass” this time, everything would return to normal and I could go back to work.  If I “failed”, I would be forever banished, labeled a vulnerability to security, and forced to relocate to an unclassified position in DC.  My fear of failing was overwhelming, as my career, my reputation and my life were on the line.  They brought in all their “experts” trying to get me to crack – the problem was, I had nothing to confess – other than what I had already told them.  Well, I “failed” miserably and had another nervous breakdown.  Immediately after the session, I was taken to see two DIA psychologists who talked me down.

Ultimately, I acquired PTSD from the inescapable and unavoidable abuse, and was disabled retired from federal service.  So far, I’ve been unsuccessful in getting the Department of Labor to pay for my medical bills and medications – ironically, because senior officials have lied to investigators and federal judges.  They have also perjured themselves in interrogatories, testimonies and affidavits by saying either they didn’t know of my disabilities, or that no regulations or policies were violated.

It is reprehensible that we permit a policy that condones using the polygraph results by themselves, to rule against, or to penalize anyone.  Especially, when there are approved and relevant regulations that prohibit doing so in the first place.  It is a pernicious form of abuse to impugn ones character, to label them untrustworthy and a vulnerability.  I worked 35 years in the IC without a single security related incident – if they can do this to me, they can do it to anyone.

Now is the time to stop the fraud, waste and abuse known as the polygraph.  Let’s all work together to remove the government’s exemption to use this scientifically unreliable polygraph test to punish, abuse or judge an otherwise innocent individual.

#stoppolygraphabuse
#EPPAforall
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:29pm
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Here is another memo that is already in the public domain.

It's a letter from the SOCOM Special Security Office advising leadership that they should adhere to established policies and recommends that they restore my access to classified information.
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Apr 9th, 2018 at 4:24pm
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This is the Defense Intelligence Central Adjudication Facility's advisory letter concerning continued access to sensitive compartmented information.

Despite this favorable decision, senior officials from USSOCOM and DIA Office of Security conspired to take unfavorable administrative actions against me.

These officials have maintained throughout this ordeal, that they were unaware of my psychological disabilities. I have a mountain of evidence - in the form of email correspondence and memos - that they were all very much aware

I have been advised that this evidence will be useful in future court proceedings, so I will not be posting it here yet.
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Feb 11th, 2018 at 10:48pm
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This is how they do it.  The lying bastards lie right to their face.

In remembrance for all who have fought against this instrument of tyranny known as the polygraph machine, I have some memos of my own that I will soon be authorizing for release.

Don't worry, they aren't classified. They do however, incriminate several high-level officials of lying under oath and perjuring themselves.  I suspect though, just like the current memos, they'll only serve to embarrass the offenders. (It's not like anyone can hold them accountable or anything.)


Posted by: Aunty Agony
Posted on: Feb 2nd, 2018 at 4:21am
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Wandersmann wrote on Jan 31st, 2018 at 3:38am:
I've noticed Quickfix never responds to you because  he knows you would own him.

quickfix does not usually respond to me because I usually attack him ad hominem rather than on the merits of his position. This, in turn, is of course because he rarely takes a position.

The true tragedy of evil in us is the corruption of the good in us. On the occasion when quickfix argues an issue he is quite capable of defending his opinions. Sadly such occasions are rare.
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2018 at 11:33pm
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Aunty Agony wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
coming here and crowing about getting away with it

How can this be allowed to happen?

Violating approved and relevant higher command is an abuse of authority.  Why is it that no one will/can hold them accountable?  Attached is DODI 5210.91 and DIAI 5200.002 side by side.  Look at paragraph g on the left, and compare it to 4.22 on the right.  BTW, Encl 4 deals with INITIAL eligibility and allows them to temporarily suspend access, based on a WRITTEN FINDING.  Such temporary suspension may not form the part of any basis for an for an adverse administrative action or adverse personnel action.

It also goes on to say that the individual shall be advised in writing of the determination, that the determination may be appealed to the Head of the relevant DoD Component, and that his or her final determination is conclusive.

I appealed and they blew me off.  Everyone points the finger at each other and they get away with it.  The corruption within the DIA Office of Security is appalling and their deal with the polygraph industry devil is pernicious.

I like what Trey Gowdy said today - comparing politics and law.  It's because of politics that the government is allowed to violate our individual rights.  If rules and laws were enforced, they'd see right through this fraud, waste and abuse.

I remember last year when Wandersmann was pinning his hopes on Mr. Gowdy.  I just hope he didn't take any blood money from the polygraph cabal.

Posted by: Wandersmann
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2018 at 3:42am
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Aunty Agony wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
there is no cogent defense against a polygraph-based accusation.


Just like there is no way to respond with a "yes" or "no" to the question, "have you stopped beating your wife?"  These conniving polygraph low-lifes have hit the jackpot with the polygraph.  Only the devil himself could have dreamed something like this up.  Of course there are always plenty of dirtbags willing to sell their souls to make a buck.   
Posted by: Wandersmann
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2018 at 3:38am
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Aunty Agony wrote on Jan 29th, 2018 at 2:52pm:
quickfix is well aware that the "lie detector" is a complete fraud that ruins careers and deprives employers of valuable talent. He just likes to get his nut off by coming here and crowing about getting away with it.


Love your posts Aunty!  You are always spot on and more eloquent than I could ever dream of being.  I've noticed Quickfix never responds to you because  he knows you would own him.   Cheesy
Posted by: Aunty Agony
Posted on: Jan 29th, 2018 at 2:52pm
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Wandersmann wrote on Jan 27th, 2018 at 7:28pm:
Someday [quickfix] and his polygraph colleagues will realize their entire adult life was centered around a complete fraud.

I think he realizes it now. quickfix does not present arguments that the polygraph has ever exposed a spy, criminal, or liar of any stripe. He simply repeats the known fact that there is no cogent defense against a polygraph-based accusation.

quickfix is well aware that the "lie detector" is a complete fraud that ruins careers and deprives employers of valuable talent. He just likes to get his nut off by coming here and crowing about getting away with it.
Posted by: Wandersmann
Posted on: Jan 27th, 2018 at 7:28pm
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quickfix wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:23pm:
Get on the BW Parkway and head north.  You can't miss it.  And bring "Xenonman" with you!


Don't let him get to you John M.  He is a parasite, like all polygraph examiners (with some exceptions like Dan Mangum and Joe the Irishman[forgot his last name]).  It took awhile for witch burning to come to an end, it will take a while for this BS to come to an end.  Someday Dickfix and his polygraph colleagues will realize their entire adult life was centered around a complete fraud.  Carnival workers contribute more to our society than these Nazi's.   Wink
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 9:28pm
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George, you should know by now that facts and truths don't matter to him.  He's more interested in perpetuating the lie.

Once again dickfix, you don't know what you're talking about.  I am receiving disability benefits.

I am on here to do everything I can to help expose this fraud on the American people. It is unconscionable abuse and a waste of taxpayer dollars.  Not to mention, a national disgrace - seriously.

Did they have twitter on star trek?
Posted by: quickfix
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 8:23pm
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John M. wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
In fact, I was granted no restrictions to access, or clearance by the DIA Central Adjudication Facility as a result of that CI investigation.


Then what are you doing here?  Oh, that's right, you tried to swindle the government out of disability money for a phony PTSD claim (the big bad powygwaph man was mean to me!)

John M. wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
It’s coming Wandersmann, there will be an awakening soon and those complicit will indeed be sorry


Just like on planet Vulcan according to Mr Spock.John M. wrote on Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:37pm:
It may take the Supreme Court to eventually decide this, but I’m willing to go there.


Get on the BW Parkway and head north.  You can't miss it.  And bring "Xenonman" with you!

Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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Any credible claim that the polygraph "caught" a spy would require that it correctly identified someone as being a spy absent any prior suspicion. The Gregory case does not meet that threshold.

That polygraphy has no scientific basis is not a "defense." It is a statement of fact.
Posted by: John M.
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:37pm
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Quickfix is just like all other serial abusers, they need victims.  I put him in the same category as Larry Nassar.  Could someone really be that cruel?  It’s probably more likely a personality trait – one that attracts people to the polygraph career path.  His taunts and harassment to victims of this abuse are sickening.  I feel sorry for those who have to live with an asshole like that.  Come to think of it, this is the same type of abusive treatment that they used against me in the polygraph chair – five times in three years.  Is this the sort of thing that is taught in polygraph school, or is it learned via OJT?

The worst part is that approved and relevant regulations were created to ensure that this type of thing doesn’t happen.  Senior officials have been deceived into thinking that it is okay to take unfavorable administrative actions against an otherwise innocent individual - based solely on the polygraph “results”.  The polygraph lobby has done considerable damage to our individual rights in Washington, and the Insider Threat Program’s hunt for the next Snowden has gone Deep State.

Maybe Jeffrey Gregory did “fail” his polygraph, but because of that, the investigators did their job and investigated him.  That’s where they got the evidence to convict him.

Sure enough, DoD has the same policy – if someone “fails”, the Head of the DoD Component may initiate a CI investigation in accordance with DoD policy.  Guess what?  They did an investigation on me and there wasn’t a single finding.  In fact, I was granted no restrictions to access, or clearance by the DIA Central Adjudication Facility as a result of that CI investigation.

DIA gives tens of thousands of polygraphs a year to their employees. If the business is to catch spies, brother business must be good.  One minor problem though, if they admit to a failure rate of 18-23%, where are all the other victims?  I’ve been on this site for almost a year now, and I haven’t seen anyone else say that they were punished solely on the polygraph “results”.  I believe that I was sacrificed to perpetuate the lie.

Consider this, since the regulations mandate that no unfavorable actions shall be taken against an otherwise innocent individual, why administer it at all?  If this simple truth gets out, it will severely damage the polygraph industry and affect the way people approach their next appointment with the polygraph!

It’s coming Wandersmann, there will be an awakening soon and those complicit will indeed be sorry, just like Larry Nassar.  Help me to mount a persistent media campaign.  #stoppolygraphabuse is a good start.  It may take the Supreme Court to eventually decide this, but I’m willing to go there.
Posted by: quickfix
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 7:14pm
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Yes, Ramsey fingered Gregory, but accomplice testimony alone is useless without corraborating evidence.  The polygraph did elicit the actual confession, so polygraph did catch this spy, and again, George, you are way off the mark.  But please continue to spout the "no scientific basis" defense.  It is entertaining.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 6:59pm
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quickfix wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 8:41pm:
"No scientific basis"- the standard party line of the deceptive.  Our party line:  In God we trust, all others get polygraphed.


What an incredibly stupid argument. I expect better from you.

Quote:
And you're quite wrong about polygraph never having caught a spy.  Jeffrey Gregory, part of the Clyde Lee Conrad spy ring, was polygraphed, failed, and confessed to spying with Conrad.  You wouldn't know that, because it's information not made available to the media.  There are other similar cases, also not made public due to the sensitive nature of the cases.  Gregory has since been released from prison, so it's no longer a secret.


It's true that Jeffrey Eugene Gregory was polygraphed, failed, and confessed to spying with Conrad. But it's not true that he was "caught" by the polygraph. Gregory's case is documented in former U.S. Army Counterintelligence Field Activity chief Stuart A. Herrington's 1999 seminal work on the Conrad espionage case, Traitors Among Us: Inside the Spy Catcher's World, at p. 390 ff. Herrington avers that it was Conrad accomplice Roderick James Ramsay who fingered Gregory as a spy. Herrington writes, at p. 390:

Quote:
Under [FBI agent Joe] Navarro's gentle but unyielding pressure, Rod Ramsay admitted that to assist in accumulating the "mother lode" and spiriting it safely out of Rose Barracks, he had recruited two fellow soldiers--Jeff Gregory and Jeffrey Rondeau. Had Clyde [Conrad] known this, he would have been furious...


So it was Ramsay who identified Gregory as a spy, not the polygraph. It's true that Gregory ultimately confessed during a (no doubt specific issue) polygraph interrogation. Herrington describes it thus, at p. 395:

Quote:
In April 1993, the dour Arizonan [Gregory] caved in during a grueling polygraph examination. In a sworn statement, Gregory admitted that he had been enticed by Ramsay to serve as a lookout during the theft of the infamous "mother lode" of documents from the division headquarters. Rod had promised great riches, but in the end, Jeff Gregory's espionage career had netted him small amounts of marijuana and hashish and a couple of hundred dollars at most.


Posted by: quickfix
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 6:46pm
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Evan S wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:18pm:
Source of information for your statement about James Gregory failing the polygraph?


You won't find Gregory's polygraph mentioned in open source publications.  Gregory was tested by Army Counterintelligence.
Posted by: Wandersmann
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2018 at 3:58am
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quickfix wrote on Jan 25th, 2018 at 7:33pm:
I'm happy right here protecting our national security from malcontents like you and (neutralized) insider threats like John M.


I've caught real spies and sent them to prison with physical proof.  I received the highest award someone in my organization could receive for my success.  I am national security.  You're a traitor and a fraud who sold your sacred honor for personal gain involved in the polygraph scam.  You are the worst of the worst, talking about exposing liars when you yourself are the biggest liar of all as you falsely accuse innocent people for personal profit. 

I'm laughing my head off as I watch the corrupt FBI hierarchy go down in flames.  The rest of the country is learning what I already knew about the frauds that are at the top of our intelligence community while honest mid-level investigators, case officers, and analysts are still working miracles for the American people.  I know the feeding frenzy of investigative journalists will eventually uncover this polygraph fraud as they peel back the layers of corruption.   Cheesy
Posted by: Evan S
Posted on: Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:19pm
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Sorry Jeffrey not James.
Posted by: Evan S
Posted on: Jan 25th, 2018 at 10:18pm
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quickfix:

Source of information for your statement about James Gregory failing the polygraph?

I did find the following interesting PDF document:
https://fas.org/sgp/library/spies.pdf

In this document, no mention of the polygraph to uncover James Gregory, although Edward Lee Howard did fail the polygraph.
 
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