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Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2019 at 3:07pm
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If you are going to a individual theripist that says you are not mentally capable of passing a polygraph can your probation officer still make you take it 


The law governing post-conviction polygraph screening varies from state to state. It would be best to consult with a local attorney with experience in criminal defense law on this question.
Posted by: shane sawyer
Posted on: Jan 26th, 2019 at 9:56am
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If you are going to a individual theripist that says you are not mentally capable of passing a polygraph can your probation officer still make you take it
Posted by: Ex Member
Posted on: Jan 20th, 2016 at 4:40pm
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Mark, following the instructions of your PO is more important than meeting a girl. Focus on getting your life and personal act together before adding a relationship to the equation. IMHO.
Posted by: mark
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2016 at 10:12pm
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i have a girl i like a lot and my po wants me to wait till we meet i have not been in trouble in a long time welll since prison and i reallly want to meet this girl not see one picture of her when do you think my po will let me see her and trust this good for me ? Sad
Posted by: antipolygraphrso
Posted on: Jul 25th, 2011 at 1:01am
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abusedbygov wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:59pm:
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I'm curious to know what you mean by this. Are you referring to one of those lazy cops that cannot get up off their asses to catch real criminals in the street and have to pose as 13 year olds online to catch Iowa corn farmers who want to talk dirty? 



Oh yes indeedy, my perspicacious friend. Only, in my case, it went a whole lot deeper. It was the owner of perverted-justice.com, NOT a cop, just a wild-eyed fanatical Jesus loving GAWD fearing jizzbone. I knew it wasn't a 13 yr. old, and THEY knew I knew it wasn't a 13 yr. old, yet they tracked me down and boom! That was it.

My question, though, is this: I am federal (the computer made it federal jurisdiction)--are these pre-tests (and, by inference, the upcoming polygraph) case-specific? Or are they standardized? Has anyone else been through these kinds of inane, ludicrous, moronic tests??

The questions are absurd. "Have I ever been to a strip club?" Really? If you say 'yes', then you must explain. Uhh, well, gorgeous naked young women writhing like reptilian goddesses in my lap?? Is THAT a good explanation?? I'm thinkin if they NEED an explanation, they ain't gonna get the idea, y'know?

Oh, here's a classic!! "Have you ever pleaded, begged, paid or otherwise coerced a woman to have sex??????????? Yeah. Are paying and begging the same thing? Really? Once again, answer 'yes' and I must explain.
"Uhh, the one with the vagina gets to decide when, how, with whom and IF sex will happen. The one with the penis begs, pleads, snivels, whines, wheedles cajoles, farts and tapdances and MAYBE gets some.

I'm sorry, who's the pervert?


Xavier Von Erck?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perverted-Justice

Yea, I've heard of PJ. Also, you should have seen how Wikipedia treated him. He actually got into some 'flame war' with them over what was being posted.

Ahhh, yes, here it is...

http://www.corrupted-justice.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10897&sid=03fc106a3b6bd1...

Wiki nailed him because Wikipedia was a 'haven for teh pedoz.'

That guy is slime, and the worst part is, if I ever came across him, I would wipe the floor with his fucking Mountain Dew chugging fat ass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjwtmw_sAk0

Thats a Youtube of him.
Posted by: antipolygraphrso
Posted on: Jul 25th, 2011 at 12:56am
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abusedbygov wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
I'm new on here but was just notified that I am to take a polygraph and make a "full sexual disclosure" lolz. Jesus, these people are out of their fucking minds!!! "Did I ever plan with someone to dig up a grave and ABUSE A CORPSE??" "Have I ever DELIBERATELY masturbated to fantasies of pre pubescent children?" (How does one 'accidently' masturbate?).
"Do I have sex with DEAD ANIMALS!!!!!" My 'crime' was bullshitting with some lying dog on the internet who was bullshitting me. Evidently, they are allowed, whilst I am held to a higher standard. I am nervous as hell and have no good feeling about the outcome of this "test".


You should have seen some of the questions on the 'prescreen questionarre' thingy I did before I was even sentenced.

Corpse fucking? Really?

Also the 'Abel' test. lol, some of the questions.

"Is a womans urinary tract in her vagina?' (or something of that nature).

Heh, considering the fact I don't sleep with women, the only response I could make was 'Why don't you go get an anatomy book and tell me, or let me find out here, kthxbye.'
Posted by: antipolygraphrso
Posted on: Jul 25th, 2011 at 12:53am
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pailryder wrote on Apr 16th, 2011 at 11:03am:
antipolygraphrso

Certainly, there are standards. Calibration and other standards can be found at the web site of the American Society of Testing and Materials (ASTM).

It's a misnomer to state that polygraphists calibrate their instruments. They only check to see if they are within the manufacturer's specifications. Calibration requires setting the parameters to an established known standard; this is usually done by a technician who knows how to make the amplifier gain adjustments.

Also, since the measurements made with the polygraph instruments are not quantitative, precise calibration is not crucial.


My father works with quite a few engineers that will tell you it's quack science. He even contacted my PO (at the time I was on probation) to get the 'standards' in question, to which there was no response.
Posted by: Bill_Brown
Posted on: Jun 9th, 2011 at 12:36am
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abusedbygov wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
"full sexual disclosure"



I think you answered your own question with your question.  Full Sexual Disclosure is not event specific.  It is full disclosure.
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Jun 8th, 2011 at 11:05pm
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abusedbygov wrote on Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:59pm:
NOT a cop, just a wild-eyed fanatical Jesus loving GAWD fearing jizzbone. 

I know where you are coming from, but IMHO, Jesus would be just as disgusted with their antics.
Posted by: abusedbygov
Posted on: Jun 8th, 2011 at 8:59pm
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I'm curious to know what you mean by this. Are you referring to one of those lazy cops that cannot get up off their asses to catch real criminals in the street and have to pose as 13 year olds online to catch Iowa corn farmers who want to talk dirty? 



Oh yes indeedy, my perspicacious friend. Only, in my case, it went a whole lot deeper. It was the owner of perverted-justice.com, NOT a cop, just a wild-eyed fanatical Jesus loving GAWD fearing jizzbone. I knew it wasn't a 13 yr. old, and THEY knew I knew it wasn't a 13 yr. old, yet they tracked me down and boom! That was it.

My question, though, is this: I am federal (the computer made it federal jurisdiction)--are these pre-tests (and, by inference, the upcoming polygraph) case-specific? Or are they standardized? Has anyone else been through these kinds of inane, ludicrous, moronic tests??

The questions are absurd. "Have I ever been to a strip club?" Really? If you say 'yes', then you must explain. Uhh, well, gorgeous naked young women writhing like reptilian goddesses in my lap?? Is THAT a good explanation?? I'm thinkin if they NEED an explanation, they ain't gonna get the idea, y'know?

Oh, here's a classic!! "Have you ever pleaded, begged, paid or otherwise coerced a woman to have sex??????????? Yeah. Are paying and begging the same thing? Really? Once again, answer 'yes' and I must explain.
"Uhh, the one with the vagina gets to decide when, how, with whom and IF sex will happen. The one with the penis begs, pleads, snivels, whines, wheedles cajoles, farts and tapdances and MAYBE gets some.

I'm sorry, who's the pervert?
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Jun 8th, 2011 at 4:25am
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abusedbygov wrote on Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:33pm:
My 'crime' was bullshitting with some lying dog on the internet who was bullshitting me. Evidently, they are allowed

I'm curious to know what you mean by this. Are you referring to one of those lazy cops that cannot get up off their asses to catch real criminals in the street and have to pose as 13 year olds online to catch Iowa corn farmers who want to talk dirty?
Posted by: abusedbygov
Posted on: Jun 7th, 2011 at 8:33pm
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I'm new on here but was just notified that I am to take a polygraph and make a "full sexual disclosure" lolz. Jesus, these people are out of their fucking minds!!! "Did I ever plan with someone to dig up a grave and ABUSE A CORPSE??" "Have I ever DELIBERATELY masturbated to fantasies of pre pubescent children?" (How does one 'accidently' masturbate?).
"Do I have sex with DEAD ANIMALS!!!!!" My 'crime' was bullshitting with some lying dog on the internet who was bullshitting me. Evidently, they are allowed, whilst I am held to a higher standard. I am nervous as hell and have no good feeling about the outcome of this "test".
Posted by: Twoblock
Posted on: Apr 29th, 2011 at 1:40am
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pailryder

Thanks. I will keep physically active because I can't let these old bones and muscles deteriorate so I'm still in the gym pumping iron and riding my bike when the weather is good. May want to climb a couple more mountains before I cash out.
Posted by: pailryder
Posted on: Apr 28th, 2011 at 6:58pm
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No, Twoblock, I am not Public Servant, but best wishes on your retirement and travels.
Posted by: Twoblock
Posted on: Apr 28th, 2011 at 1:38am
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stefano

I have been a member this website since its inception and I have found two polygraphers that make honest, intelligent and sincere posts. They are pailryder and, years ago, Public Servant. I have often wondered if they are one and the same.

I became pretty good friends here with Public Servant. I offered him a moose hunt in Alaska but he could never take me up on it. Little bit late now since I'm closing down my mining operations and retiring. I'm 80 yrs. young now and my wife of 58 years says we need to see some of the world. I have seen a lot of it so maybe I can show her where I've been. I hope to get over to see George one day.
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Apr 28th, 2011 at 12:19am
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Pailryder, please don't stop posting. You are one of the few polygraphists here who actually have an open discerning mind. I enjoy my exchanges with you.
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Apr 20th, 2011 at 4:12pm
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pailryder wrote on Apr 20th, 2011 at 12:18pm:
I apologize for that last post.Sometimes I get caught up in the combative nature of the postings on this site.

No apology necessary--as David Hume said, it is our emotion that gives impetus to our ethics. I work with a myriad of instruments that both record and simply indicate--"needle swing" is a generic jargon I'm used to using for any kind of indicator movement, including digital read outs.
Posted by: pailryder
Posted on: Apr 20th, 2011 at 12:18pm
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stefano

I apologize for that last post.  Sometimes I get caught up in the combative nature of the postings on this site. 

I do respect your opinion and I am very interested in your evaluation of the discriminate analysis theory used in the scoring algorithms.
Posted by: pailryder
Posted on: Apr 20th, 2011 at 11:25am
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This indicative of 14 weeks of polygraph examiner training versus 11 years in the study of psycho-physiology


I guess that needle pricked someone's inflated ego.  You, stefano, know nothing about my education, polygraph or otherwise, so why try to make a personal attack? 
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Apr 19th, 2011 at 5:48pm
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pailryder wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 12:28pm:
Really, I have never seen a polygraph needle.Perhaps you have a picture of one?Or maybe you mean a pen? You do know that the collection systems have been computerized since the 90's. 

This indicative of 14 weeks of polygraph examiner training versus 11 years in the study of psycho-physiology. All you know is what was taught to you. Yes I am quite aware of computerized polygraphs. How well do you understand the discriminate analysis theory used in the algorithms?
Posted by: pailryder
Posted on: Apr 19th, 2011 at 12:28pm
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What it boils down to is ensuring you have at least an inch and half needle swing for a quarter inch of pnuemo bellows expansion


Really, I have never seen a polygraph needle.  Perhaps you have a picture of one?  Or maybe you mean a pen?   You do know that the collection systems have been computerized since the 90's.      
Posted by: antipolygraphrso
Posted on: Apr 19th, 2011 at 4:23am
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Bill_Brown wrote on Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:12am:
This is about as scientific as adjusting your old distributor points with a feelers gauge.


I am surprised to find anyone remembering what a feeler gauge was.  It was the only way of setting your points and plugs in the "Old Days". 


If I recall, I remember a feeler gauge from working on old school VW's. So yea, your not alone.
Posted by: Bill_Brown
Posted on: Apr 19th, 2011 at 2:12am
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This is about as scientific as adjusting your old distributor points with a feelers gauge.


I am surprised to find anyone remembering what a feeler gauge was.  It was the only way of setting your points and plugs in the "Old Days". 
Posted by: stefano - Ex Member
Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011 at 9:40pm
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pailryder wrote on Apr 18th, 2011 at 6:56pm:
ASTM E2063-05(2011)Stand Practice for Calibration and Functionally Check used in Forensic Psychophysiological Detection of Deception (Polygraph) Examinations 

What it boils down to is ensuring you have at least an inch and half needle swing for a quarter inch of pnuemo bellows expansion, the same swing for a 2 mmHG change on the sphygmomanometer, and a quarter inch swing for every 2,000 ohms of skin resistance change. This is about as scientific as adjusting your old distributor points with a feelers gauge.
Posted by: pailryder
Posted on: Apr 18th, 2011 at 6:56pm
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ASTM E2063-05(2011)  Stand Practice for Calibration and Functionally Check used in Forensic Psychophysiological Detection of Deception (Polygraph) Examinations
 
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