Dan Mangan wrote on Dec 12
th, 2016 at 2:17am:
Joe, my comments about the polygraph "indu$try" are geared toward the macro view of things.
You, on the other hand, are hopelessly mired in your storied obsessive-compulsive disorder with TAPE.
Things ain't gonna change, Joe, and neither will you.
In my humble opinion, you will never get your self-entitled place at the TAPE-PC$OT feeding trough. There ain't no room for your big fat Irish squash, capiche?
Remember, YOU are the Masshole interloper.
What would Whitey have done, if the shoe were on the other foot?
My Guess: Two in the hat.
Joe, it looks like the fix is in. You need to accept that immutable fact. If you can't, then perhaps you should see a doctor.
Meanwhile, the [big picture] polygraph indu$try continues to minimize victimization.
Why?
Because the lie-detection racket is primarily about one thing: MONEY.
It was true in Keeler's day, and it's true now.
Wow, who is paying you to coax me into a hostile debate?
All this hostility all the sudden, it's an interesting turn for you and me. What is the positive outcome you hope to derive from the ad hominem, personal attacks on someone equally wanting to stop the, "polygraph victimization?" I doubt I will get an articulate answer to that question, but what the hell, thought I'd toss it out there.
You say I have OCD. Can you tell me how one with no psychological training or license to practice would come to such a diagnosis, and what protocols you used? It seems like a pretty extreme diagnosis, especially when I have a track record of being silent when not being pushed.
Me coming here is a simple example of cause and effect. Simply put, between 2009 and 2014, I was as silent as can be. Sure they were playing their games; but they had to go and mess with my license in 2014. If you kick a sleeping dog, the dog will bite. Cause and effect. Since then, there have been periods of silence which lasted as long as TAPE and Maria left me to my own devices.
Sorry the data simply doesn't support your theory. I suspect you may be using the same methodology you used in your 100% accuracy study.
It's strange really, my fact based fight with TAPE and specific Texas examiners, has done more to actually prove, empirically, that polygraph abuse does in fact exist than you ever could. All you have is your interpretation of their studies, other peoples unconfirmed stories, and perceived slights from an organization that welcomes you to bring your issues to the floor anytime you want to show up to the dance (so to speak).
You are still welcome in the community for which you criticize. If you think about it, that is interesting. Two conclusions one can draw from this make for interesting conversation.
Is it possible, that they have no fear of you? They are not at all concerned by your claims because, where there are a few which do have some validity, most are just blown out of proportion, perceived slights and theory. You have little empirical, documented proof, of some of your accusations; as such, your impotence is simply as much a threat as that of a bag of declawed kittens. Sorry man, but it's been my experience, that when you are a treat, people do everything in the world to eliminate that threat.
You have said things about the industry that is 100 times worse than anything I have said, with a fraction of the proof. Yet you are left untouched in regard to disciplinary actions at the association level. Hmmmmmm this is interesting. Here is Maria Hubbard, Andy Sheppard, and all the rest of the round up gang, and they claim that they want to protect the industry. Yet, I have never said that the industry should be dismantled or outlawed. I have never said that polygraph was so inaccurate that it was no better than religion. I have only said that certain individuals are of, questionable integrity and character, and this should be a problem for us. I don't want to take out the industry, just those individuals. Even then, I have shown a willingness to live and let live.
So how, I wonder, how do you not get touched? Whereas me, someone who has all but screamed my support for the accuracy of polygraph from the roof tops and backed it up with action, gets the book thrown at me at almost every turn? One would think given your stated motives, you'd be the target in need of silencing. Someone like be can be reasoned with and used to the industries benefit.
Here is the other theory, and this one is a stretch, but if you think about it, and all you AP people should think on this, why is it, that he has been anti polygraph, but nothing happens to him; I am pro polygraph, and I am to be destroyed. Sorry, but the past actions prove this to be true.
Anyway. Could it be, that Dan is a troll? We all know that polygraph examiners come here to troll; this is obvious from the PP posts. How is it that Dan says the things he does, and walks away clean? I mean, come on, look what happened to me for telling the truth. How is it he crawls out of the gutter holding two gold watches?
Where I come from, the dirtiest guy that never has the attention of the authorities, either has people in his pocket, or is a RAT. I do hope you're not a snitch, Dan. That would be bad; but it would explain the sudden hostility.
It's kinda like my theory, that if the Texas examiners, therapists, and CSCD's, were to suddenly embrace me and sing my praises; it would destroy me by taking away any credibility I ever had about being independent and unbiased. That is one thing Whitey would do, if he had control of things like they do down here, he would have someone embraced by group A, to make group B become suspicious and suspect of the person group A is now embracing; then let group B handle it. He walks away with clean hands, and the usurper is handled though what one could call, "natural selection."
But Again, he was very Machiavellian. Of course he did have other methods, but you never go to the extreme too fast. It's too high profile, and bad for business.
Now, there are other possibilities, these are just the two big ones.
As far as you saying I am, "self entitled," let's explore that.
All I wanted from the start is exactly what EVERY American is entitled to under the law; a fair shot, in a free market economy. I put my product out there and, if people CHOOSE to use my services, and finds my services to be overall superior to that of my competition, they become return customers or tell their friends. Then people hear about me and try me, like my services, return, and tell others. I have been dined this chance in the past, and am still being denied in markets, or as my intern instructor called them, fiefdoms, which are still closed off or closely controlled to all outside competition.
Sorry man, numbers don't lie. Richard Wood and Associates, 45% inconclusive rate (almost half the time, he couldn't tell if someone was DI or NDI). How that is an acceptable product to anyone is baffling to me. People were treated like numbers and dollar signs, and had a low confession rate(from what I heard and based on experience).
Me, under 5% inconclusive. People were treated as people, and I never collected money before a test. I had and still have a very respectable confession rate. In the PCSOT market, most of my disclosures are pretest.
Put my product up against theirs, in a free market, they would be out of business in 2 years unless they made significant changes.
So this idea that I feel self entitled, I don't know where people get that from. I have been consistent in my statements, I just want a chance to compete, and the market will decide. I have fought hard to continue to be here. I am still here, long after people thought I'd be gone. They have tried, trust me, but I am still here, because my overall product is that good; it's the only reason I am still here.
I paid more than my fair share of dues, moreso than any of my competition had to pay. Anyone else wouldn't be here still.
So yea, there is no data to back up your, "self entitled" claim.
You also seem to have this fascination to compare this to an, organized crime family, in the obvious sense of the term. Again, you need to cut back on the movies guy..
"two in the hat" HUH
Where did you get that from, a Mickey Spillane, novel?
"Yea..... yea.... see, I'll rub ya out with this Chaciago Typewriter right here now... see..... that'll teach ya coppa.... see" Wow Dan, seriously, that was embarrassing for everyone.
I mean come on man. What would a lace curtain Irish boy like you know what went on in Southie, or in The Town? Why don't you start tossing around vernacular about Winter Hill while you're at it.
You probably don't even know the line of the T that brings you to these places or the names of the stops to get there, without you looking it up.
Oh and BTW, the word, "capiche," wrong ethnic group. Go ahead, use that word in an old school southie pup. Let me know where and wen you plan to do that, because, 1, that will be entertaining as hell; and 2, you will need me to make sure you end up next to the dumpster, rather than in it.
LMAO, wow, "capiche." I am laughing so hard I can't breathe. Lay of the movies and cough syrup man, I'm worried about ya.
Fact is, if this industry was run like that, this would be simple, and I could understand it. There would have been no court case, and frankly, the meter would have been settled in a manner which would have been either fair or final. It is my understanding, that is not how legitimate businesses or the legitimate business world works.
Now, if I am mistaken and this is what you seem to think it is, not that you even know what, is, is, then I wish someone would enlighten me. That would change the rules significantly.
As far as what would Jimmy do, I have answered that question, but somehow the lines of communication have broken down. Clean the gunk from your eyes.
One last thing, it's a bad idea to allude to things that could give people the wrong impression you know something about things you don't really know. It can give people the wrong idea.
"Capiche,"........ wow........ LMAO. Lace curtain Irish boy trying to act all North End. That is just too funny. Next thing ya know you'll be running down the street when you hear some woman yell "ANTHONY" out her window.
LMAO
Too funny
