1  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / This site is dead.
 on: Today at 12:53pm 
This site is dead.  Where is everyone?  Nobody has any polygraph stories or news to report anymore?  Or have the alphabet soup agencies told everyone to shut up and if they go to this site, let alone post on here, bad things will happen to them.

2  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Cop Busted with Hooker During Polygraph Seminar - Man Admits to Child Porn During Poly
 on: Sep 22nd, 2022 at 2:26pm 
I wasn't sure which section to post this in.  This is just a couple of polygraph news stories

1. Jason DiPrima, a Georgia deputy police chief, was in town for polygraph seminar got caught and arrested in a prostitution sting.  I guess he wanted to interrogate others about breaking the law, while he thinks he gets a pass. 

2. Robert Luth was arrested after admitting to viewing child pornography during a Pinellas County Sheriff's Office pre-employment polygraph, deputies said.  The investigation started on August 17, after he admitted he viewed child pornography at a pre-employment polygraph with the sheriff's office.  Cops got a search warrant and found child porn on his phone.  This would have never happened if he didn't open his mouth and confess.  NEVER MAKE ANY CONFESSIONS ON A POLYGRAPH!

3  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / U.S. Supreme Court Filing in Benjamin Lawrence Petty's Probation Revocation Appeal
 on: Sep 18th, 2022 at 2:25pm 
As noted on the blog, Benjamin Lawrence Petty of Oklahoma has filed a petition to the U.S. Supreme Court appealing the revocation of his probation, which was based in part on polygraph "evidence." The case has been assigned Docket No. 22-5468.

Ultimately, the Supreme Court only entertains a small number of the many petitions it receives each year. However, in the event that Petty's petition were granted, the case could have significant implications for post-conviction polygraph screening across the United States, and thus I think it's worth mentioning here.

4  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / CVSA and other Voice Stress Analysis Applications / Re: Notes on Meeting of Creditors in NITV LLC Bankruptcy Case
 on: Sep 6th, 2022 at 9:15pm 
Thanks for the post, however, what about the other creditors?  Have you heard anything yet?

5  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / CVSA and other Voice Stress Analysis Applications / Settlement in NITV LLC Bankruptcy Case
 on: Sep 5th, 2022 at 8:50am 
A settlement has been reached in the NITV LLC bankruptcy case whereby NITV Federal Services, LLC, Charles Humble, and his wife, Lourdes Humble (also known as Lourdes Irimia), have agreed to pay $250,000 in a series of installments to discharge NITV LLC's debt to E. Gary Baker.

Copies of the settlement agreement and a motion to approve it are attached.

6  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
 on: Aug 21st, 2022 at 7:16am 
"The day of the glorious red serge and everybody wants to be a Mountie; everybody does not want to be a police officer today or an RCMP member."

Known as Depot Division, the RCMP academy in Regina consolidated and rescheduled training this spring to deal with fewer recruits. Once a pre-employment requirement, polygraph tests are also being dropped.

"The RCMP is in for a reckoning," Michael Boudreau, a criminologist at St. Thomas University in Fredericton told CTV National News. "I think the RCMP needs to overhaul its entire organization and to rethink what it does as policing."

"They need to be out of policing provinces and out of policing municipalities," Robert Gordon, a criminologist at Simon Fraser University added.

Manitoba's justice minister told CTV News Winnipeg he is very concerned with the province's high RCMP vacancy rate, and plans to continue raising the issue with the federal government to secure more officers.


7  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
 on: Aug 21st, 2022 at 6:59am 
The polygraph and PEP has now been removed from the RCMP recruitment process as of summer 2022.

"Regina’s RCMP Academy, known as the Depot Department, has integrated and rescheduled training this spring to reduce the number of new hires. When it comes to pre-employment requirements, the polygraph test is also removed.

“We are actively adopting RCMP,” RCMP spokeswoman Robin Percival told CTV National News. “Work is underway to modernize the applicant’s evaluation process while maintaining rigor.”

Source: https://canadiantrends.ca/rcmp-vacancy-rate-highest-in-manitoba-nunavut-and-b-c/

Polygraph PEP is not longer listed in application and selection process:

Application process
Once you have successfully completed your vision and hearing exams and you have the forms confirming that you meet the minimum requirements, you are ready to apply! Please keep your completed forms until they are requested from you. In order to help you along the way, we have created the following checklist to help you understand the recruiting process and to help you keep organized.

Step One: Get the ball rolling: Submit an online application
All applicants must apply online.

You will need to create a GC jobs account to complete your online application.

The RCMP job posting for police officers is on the Government of Canada's Jobs website. To find the posting:

Search "police officer" under "Job title"
Look under the "Jobs open to the public" tab in the search results
You may be screened out of the recruitment process:

if you do not have your vision and hearing assessments and vision and hearing forms completed
as a result of the responses provided in your online application
If your application is screened out at this step, you must wait six months before re-applying.

If you have questions about the application process, you are encouraged to attend a recruiting event or to contact a recruiter before submitting your online application.

Step Two: Learn more about a career in policing: Attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP online entrance assessment
Once you have been screened into the process, you will be invited to attend a career presentation and complete the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment.

During the career presentation, you will learn more about a career in policing and you will be able to discuss any questions or concerns you may have with a proactive recruiter.

You will receive an email from a recruiter that will include the link to the RCMP Online Entrance Assessment. You will have 14 days to complete the online assessment from the date you receive the link.

Step Three: All that paperwork: Submit the required forms and documents
If the RCMP selects you to continue in the process, you will be asked to submit all forms and documents within 2 business days. Do not attempt to submit these forms and documents until they are requested from you.
Step Four: Tell us about yourself: Complete a suitability assessment and undergo a Right Fit Interview
This stage assesses whether you possess the core competencies, core values, and traits required of an RCMP police officer. This stage consists of two interviews:

the RMAQ (Regular Member Applicant Questionnaire) Interview and;
the RFI (Right Fit Interview).
The RMAQ Interview lets us know if there are actions or behaviours, from your past, that could prevent you from becoming an RCMP police officer. Following a review of your RMAQ, an interview will assess the severity, recency and repetitive nature of your actions. A heavy focus is placed on honesty. It is strongly recommended that you disclose all actions and behaviors in your RMAQ.

The RFI is an interview designed to evaluate your ability to meet standards in eight core competencies. You will be required to respond to both behavioural and situational questions using the STAR and ARC articulation methods.

Step Five: Honesty is the best policy: Complete various background checks
Your employers (previous and current) and references will be contacted as part of the background check. It will contribute to verifying your honesty.

Step Six: Make sure you are healthy: Undergo medical and psychological assessments
You will need to see RCMP-designated physicians and psychologists for a health assessment, including full medical and psychological exams. The RCMP will cover the cost of these exams. If successful at this stage, you will receive your medical clearance.

Step Seven: You're almost at the finish line: Undergo a field investigation and security assessment
The final step in the application process is a field investigation and security assessment. The RCMP will conduct a thorough investigation into your background to help assess your suitability. If successful, you will receive your security clearance.

Once you have passed all the application and assessment steps you will be contacted to attend the RCMP Cadet Training Program.

Returning applicants
If you applied to become a police officer of the RCMP in the past and would like to resume your application process, please review the process for returning applicants.

To speak with a recruiter before submitting your application, you can attend one of the many recruiting events held across the country.

Questions about your application?
Contact your local recruiting office.

8  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: RCMP Pre-Employment Polygraph Examinations Expose!
 on: Aug 20th, 2022 at 3:18am 
Most RCMP PEP polygraphs are now done by contractors. The pre-test interview procedure (going over the RMAQ questionnaire) varies. Sometimes you are left alone with question categories under the different form sections to think about what else you might want to add and then write it down after some initial prompting; other times they go through all the questions one by one with you. I suspect they will phase out the polygraph over the next few years. Mention of it has already been removed from the "How to apply to become an RCMP officer" page at:

The recruiter will just quote what is in the applicant PEP booklet or information sheet (which incidentally was initially developed by a US polygraph company word for word).

The machine does not and cannot show deception. The machine shows a physiological response which can be deemed a significant response by the examiner. If the examiner really doesn't like you, then he (never saw a she), might conduct a post-test interrogation essentially asking which question you think that you reacted to the most, why do you think you reacted to that question, and asking you, "when was the last time that you...", looking for any admissions. If the examiner likes you then nothing will be said and the Significant Response (SR) will simply be noted in the report. There's a reason why the PEP is done by independent contractors and it's to avoid that first scenario.

In both cases it's not possible to really "fail" the lifestyle scope polygraph step without making significant admissions (the exception being US CI (counterintelligence) scope polygraphs where you can fail by chart point scoring alone). It's just an enhanced lifestyle background interview with props and a flair for the dramatic. The report then goes to recruiting to review. Before, when they had RMs like Sergeants do it in house, that person could literally pick up the phone, call the Recruiting Corporal and influence the file, but now it's probably all contractors submitting a written report reviewed by a civilian analyst. At best it can be inconclusive solely going by the machine so you might not "pass". What would happen is that someone in recruiting would review the report (for new disclosures) and decide if it's a deferral or whether you continue on to the next step.

It used to be something like this in general:
NRPC – Suitability reviews the RMAQ.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to TVS.
TVS will administer the PEP.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder and the application will move forward to NRPC - Suitability.
NRPC – Suitability reviews the PEP results.

NRPC – Processing will save the results to the applicant's folder.
If the applicant is not recommended, then the application is closed.
If the applicant is recommended, then the application will move forward to DSB and divisional Health Services, concurrently.

No one can identify true "signs of deception", not the machine, not the examiner, and sometimes not even the applicant. It's a true wilderness of mirrors!

Here is an example of how accurate the RCMP pre-employment polygraph PEP examination is:

Seangio began his training at the RCMP Depot in June 2016 and later that year was posted to the Richmond, B.C. detachment, one of the largest in the country.

Indeed, many of the charges against Seangio laid by Ottawa police predate him becoming an RCMP police officer.

Ottawa police allege the offences span from 2011 to 2018.
Seangio joined the Richmond RCMP in 2016 (this means he did the PEP within 12 months of June 2016). Yet, the suspended RCMP officer has been charged with 34 counts of voyeurism and three counts of sexual assault involving six women known to him. According to the Ottawa Police Service (OPS), the alleged offences in Ottawa occurred between 2011 and 2018 while he was living in that city.

The RCMP Member went through the PEP stage AFTER the Ottawa incidents took place. This is probably the best example of how useless the RCMP PEP stage and polygraph truly is. It detected nothing and the guy most likely had zero training about how to defeat it. It's true, you only need to be relaxed and confident to pass. And of course, make no admissions (the only way to really "fail" the RCMP PEP).


Here is a great report about the RCMP (Regular Member) RM recruitment process. I think it's worth a read:


The most interesting piece is this "2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP". It basically means the polygraph is as useless as everyone knew it was and the only way to "fail" that step is if you make disqualifying admissions, which would disqualify you before the PEP ever happened or shortly thereafter if disclosed later. In other words, it's literally impossible to fail the PEP from the machine results or the polygraph operator's opinion alone. It's not like in the movies at all. I have personally done polygraphs several times with different examiners and I know it can be completely different depending on who does it. Or wait..."2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP"; maybe it really is like in Blade Runner and The Recruit! If you want to become an Intelligence Analyst, all of those positions are now civilian and don't even require a polygraph for the Top Secret RCMP clearance.

Appendix A – Major changes to RM recruitment

Changes to the organizational and program structure:

2004: Establishment of the lateral entry program
2006: Establishment of the NRP as a policy centre
2012: Establishment of the NRPC in Regina
2013: Establishment of the Experienced Police Officer Program
2014: Establishment of the Final Application Status Tracking (FAST) team
2014: Establishment of appeals process
2015: Establishment of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program
2016: Opportunity for applicants from E, K, F and D Divisions to select their home province for their first posting
2016: Decision to increase troops to 40 per year
2017: Establishment of the Business Intelligence Unit
2017: Pilot to centralize medical assessments at NHQ
2017: Transfer of the Aboriginal Applicant Mentorship Program to National Aboriginal Policing Services (in C&IP)
2018: Pilot of the Enhanced Training of Francophone Troop.

Changes to the process:

2013: Granting of conditional troop offers
2016: Electronic intake of applications and forms
2016: Implementation of Cognos
2016: Removal of conditional offers
2018: Implementation of ATS
2018: Decision to start the security clearance stage once medical has been completed
2018: Acceptance of "Significant Reactions" during the PEP
2019: Pilot to send unilingual French applicants for a 13 week intensive English language training prior to going to Depot
2019: Pilot to implement Eye Detect technology as a way to supplement the PEP

Changes to application requirements:

2013: Removal of mandatory requirement for applicants to attend a career presentation
2015: Requirement for applicants to complete hearing and vision exam before applying
2016: Acceptance of applicants who are permanent residents of Canada

Changes to the assessment tools:

2015: Requirement for applicants to pass PARE before applying
2015: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with university degrees
2016: Exemption of RPAT for applicants with a college diploma
2016: Removal of PARE requirement before applying
2016: Removal of RMSI (face-to-face interview)
2018: Establishment of the Right-Fit interview

RCMP police officer recruitment process map diagram, current in 2020 (rarely changes much):

9  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Probable-Lie "Control" Question Leads to Impertinent Admission in Security Clearance Polygraph
 on: Jul 29th, 2022 at 9:53am 
Today's New York Times features an article by filmmaker and U.S. Navy veteran Khalid Abdulqaadir titled, "The Polygraph Test that Saved My Marriage."

During a polygraph for a security clearance, and apparently unaware that answers to probable-lie "control" questions (in this case, "Have you ever kept a secret from your wife?") are secretly expected to be untrue, Abdulqaadir answered "yes" and provided deeply personal information that was not actually relevant, but that is now part of his permanent record. Excerpt;

“Have you ever kept a secret from your wife?” asked the polygraph examiner.

For nearly two decades I had been grooming myself to be the perfect candidate for one of the premier U.S. government intelligence agencies. These institutions require absolute loyalty, which means you are supposed to keep secrets for them, not from them.

“Yes, I have,” I replied.

I was seated upright, brown knuckling the plastic arms of the chair. A black coiled wire had been placed snugly across my chest and another contraption was attached to my fingertips. My heart thumped so loudly that it nearly drowned out all sound. I felt a bead of sweat roll from my armpit down my side underneath my shirt.

I was experiencing the telling of truth.

While every fiber of my being strained to keep my secrets, I knew I had to be honest and just answer his question.

Fumbling through my response, I explained how I hadn’t told my wife about my family’s complicated past, how my father’s associations had led him to be charged with terrorist-related crimes after the attacks of Sept. 11, and how I, as his son, was placed on a terrorist suspect list when I turned 18.

Although my father ultimately was found not guilty of these charges in federal court (while being convicted on a gun-related charge), the stigma remained. In fact, one of the main reasons I joined the military and pursued work in the intelligence community was to try to cleanse us of all that by creating a long record of loyalty in serving my country, a record I did create and that I’m proud of.

I had been interrogated by intelligence officers when I was in the Navy, but that was nothing compared to this. Back then, I sweated and cried, but I was innocent, and I knew it. This was different. I was guilty of having hidden things from my wife — and not only about me but my family’s past.

She and I had long been distant in our marriage — a distance that came from a lack of self-disclosure. We met in Japan when I was stationed there. Early on, I had good reason to be quiet and cagey about my personal life; it’s not exactly an appealing come-on to tell a new date that you were placed on a terrorist suspect list or that your father was accused of terrorist ties. Once you’re accustomed to hiding your past, you tend to keep hiding in all kinds of ways.

I had done research before the polygraph and learned that the reason they want to know how we deal with secrets we may be keeping from loved ones is to understand how we would behave with secrets between ourselves and the agency. Could we protect U.S. national security? Would we be susceptible to blackmail or coercion?

“Why have you kept this from your wife?” the examiner asked.

“I was afraid she wouldn’t love me in the same way.”

That, too, was the truth. I have always been terrified of how people might respond to my true self, which is why for most of my life I have tried to offer a version of myself that I believed others wanted to see. When I was growing up in Oklahoma, I would think, “I’m black, ugly, short and have an Islamic name. How could anyone find me attractive?” Having such an attitude could become a self-fulfilling prophecy. As it turned out, it was my struggle to break free from the shame placed on my family that ultimately delivered me from my inferiority complex.

“Have you ever been part of an organization with the purpose of overthrowing the U.S. government?” the examiner asked.

“No,” I said.

“What is it you’re not telling me?” he asked.

I could have started with my excuses. How losing my mother at age 3 made me seek the nurturing affection of women, and how that became a particular kind of weakness. But no. What would be the point of that? I just had to say it: “I had an extramarital affair.”

This was not something I had told anyone. And under normal circumstances, I believed this admission would be a deal breaker for a marriage or this job. It indicates the untrustworthiness and overall lack of character of someone who was likely unfit for a job or a union.

When it came to the job, though, coming clean could work in my favor, as I presumably would be less vulnerable to coercion or blackmail. What my admission would mean for my marriage, however, was decidedly less certain.

I have to say that had it not been for this top-secret security clearance process, I probably never would have told my wife — or anyone else — that I had cheated on her. And in taking full responsibility for my actions, I wasn’t hoping to absolve myself from shaming or criticism. I am a man who behaved badly but now takes ownership of his betrayals and failures; it’s as simple as that. Thus began the real clearance process, which was seeking passage into the bureau of marriage.

“He’s good,” the examiner said, giving a thumbs-up to another agent.

I was surprised that I passed the polygraph test, but later I realized of course I did — because I had told the truth.

Although Abdulqaadir professes to have "done research before the polygraph," it is clear that he didn't look very deeply into polygraphy, as he evidently didn't understand the function of probable-lie "control" questions. Had he done his homework, he would not have allowed the polygraph operator to turn the polygraph suite into a confessional booth.

In addition, his statement that "of course" he passed, because he had told the truth, betrays deep naïveté about the validity of polygraphy. As retired CIA polygrapher John Sullivan has opined, "...an honest subject has no better chance than a dishonest subject of getting through the process."

Abdulqaadir's passing the polygraph likely has as much (or more) to do with good luck (and his years in the navy) as it does with his candor.

10  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: List: U.S. Fed Employee Criminals - All Passed Polys
 on: Jul 25th, 2022 at 1:22pm 
On July 13, 2022, a jury found Schulte guilty on all accounts.  At his first trial Schulte was found guilty of contempt of court and of making false statements to the F.B.I. though the jury hung on the Vault 7 leaks.  Now he has been convicted on nine counts related to the Vault 7 leaks, which included illegally gathering national defense information and illegally transmitting that information.  No sentencing date has been set.

He is still facing child porn charges too.