My PO will charge me for my 1st polygraph and if I fail, increase the copay price for each failed test there after.  In this case I believe this is a 5th amendment violation.  As far as inducing and incriminating.   I met some men who lied just to avoid this financial penalties.   

Does any know of any case law on this specific topic?

NITV Federal Services is offering agencies a $1,000 discount from the $10,995.00 price of the CVSA III.  This is valid until the end of DEC 2023.

15% - 20% discount more is available for the purchase of more CVSA III's.

CVSA III price went up from the $9950.00 to $10,995.00. Training went up too.

Every time we go to the AEC Conference in Orlando, FL NITV offers a 25-30% discount as they put a flyer on the table.
Better off to wait until JAN 2024 for the higher discount. 

You can see the different prices other agencies are paying for the CVSA III by doing various searches.   

In our opinion you are better off staying with the CVSA II as it works better and has no issues.  If you recall when NITV went from Windows XP to Windows 7 it was a real problem for several months.  But at least it was the same program!  The CVSA III features 25% smaller patterns, changes in inputs and other quirks that detract.  There is no seamless transition, or at least in our opinion.  The DELL 5430 is overkill as how often do you take a unit out of the office.  Amazon sells the 5430 at a great price, and far less than NITV/ 

The attachment has a second flyer that is offering the pre-owned CVSA II for $4995.00.  We traded our old CVSA II for another and paid $5650.00.  NITV supposedly is no longer selling the CVSA II which in our opinion is a mistake.   

I think that provided none of your admissions involved conduct that you had previously denied, the passage of time will have likely mitigated any security concerns (especially if at the time of your travels, you did not yet hold a security clearance). So I do not think that you are likely blackballed for life from ever holding a security clearance with any agency at all. It might be easier with an agency other than the CIA, however.

Thank you for the reply.  I will provide a bit more information on my situation.  I was going to work on a CIA contract so I had to take a full scope poly to upgrade to SCI.  I am a single guy who has traveled throughout Asia for vacation.  The polygrapher started grilling me on foreign travel and foreign contacts.  He wanted to know everything I did on my trips and I told him what sights I have seen and what I did in the evening, which included bars and clubs.  He starts asking me about those Asian hostess bars where girls walk around half naked and I told them I visited a few.  Then it got weird and he starts asking me if I would touch the girls' bodies and if I let the girls touch my private parts.  I told him I did do this a few times because it was pretty standard and all in fun.  He even asks me about massages and if I ever touched the masseuse.  I admitted to this as well.  One thing led to another and he ends up labeling me a sexual deviant who has paid for numerous sexual services and made me sign a form admitting to this.  The polygrapher completely twisted my story because I never said I paid for sex, a blow job, or even a happy-ending hand job at the massage parlor.  However, he claims I admitted to enough acts of prostitution based on what I told him.  What the f**k yo!

Soon thereafter I am called into the security office at my work and told that I did not pass the polygraph and that my current TS clearance was being suspended.  They already had a clearance suspension letter typed up for me with the reasons being sexual and personal conduct.  I was immediately placed on unpaid leave and escorted out the door.


Well, unpaid leave to me means UNPAID.  I sat around for a couple months doing nothing then realized this issue was not going to get resolved any time soon so I quit as soon as I found another job, which did not require a clearance.  I have been at this new job for the past ten years or so and now I am looking for new jobs again and I am considering applying for jobs that require a clearance, even if just a Secret clearance.

I don't want to waste my time applying if I am blackballed for life.

George W. Maschke wrote on Nov 14^th, 2023 at 8:15pm:


That document also states that "if no action occurs on the individual record for twenty-four months , the record will be purged from display and archived."  I wonder if this means investigators and adjudicators can or cannot see my purged incident report?

To the best of my knowledge, JPAS incident reports did not expire. (A Department of the Navy document specifically states (at p. 2), "Data will be permanently retained within JPAS...")

While JPAS has been supplanted by the Defense Information System for Security (DISS), I expect that information contained in JPAS has been and will be preserved.

Based on what you've written here, I am unable to form an opinion on whether the incident report would preclude you from holding a security clearance at this time.

I failed a poly as part of a clearance upgrade from TS to TS/SCI many years ago. They suspended my clearance and I quit rather than get fired. My coworker got arrested, had her clearance suspended, and she quit as well. Both cases happened 11 years ago.  I assume incident reports went on file but were never adjudicated since we both quit. 

If either of us reapplied for a cleared-job now, would these incident reports still be on file?  Can we get cleared again if we had no other issues after all od these years?

Please link to examples of similar cases if you have them.

Why is it not mandatory for the sexual offender assessment board to administer the MMPI-2 during there court ordered assessment to determine if a person truly has mental abnormality and personality disorders. The first thing the judge ask is did you evaluate the defendant, and the reply from the soab is we are not required to test and our assessment is done verbally. Your fate is determined by opinion and not by fact. I always thought that any case that comes before a court is based on fact not opinion. :-[

Former CIA officer Brian Jeffrey Raymond, who evidently beat the polygraph during his CIA employment, has again pleaded guilty to federal sex abuse charges. (He had previously withdrawn his guilty plea.)

Fu Ting, Jim Mustian, and Joshua Goodman report for the Associated Press. Excerpt:

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Because they are trying to scare applicants into disqualifying admissions and psychologically abuse and interrogate them.

Crickets?  Nobody wants to answer this?  It is a good question.  Polygraphers, why don't you show subjects and applicants their charts on the spot when you accuse them of deception?