1  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Everyday Sadist - Worst Polygraph Ever?
 on: Nov 17th, 2022 at 7:57am 
beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38am:
I would think the Arizona Dept. of Public Safety would not be nearly as stringent as a security clearance background check, but maybe fit more with a general criminal background check.


I would have thought the same, but apparently not. It does seem that Phoenix area polygraphs and backgrounds are particularly abusive, as I've read horror stories about DPS, Phoenix PD, Maricopa County Sheriff's, and even the AZ Department of Transportation. I can't verify this, but I read somewhere that Phoenix PD asks you to list all the places you've had sex on your background packet.

beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38am:
I don't know why the polygrapher was asking about things you did when you were a minor and focusing so much on your sexual history.


In terms of polygraphy, neither do I. The other gentleman I spoke to regarding his experience said that his examiner basically did the same thing to him but with drug questions, so its possible that they just pick something at random to interrogate you about and use to fish for information.

The real answer to this question is that Caputo thoroughly enjoyed humiliating me, and used this line of questioning as a means to do so.

beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38am:
You mean there was not a single question on drug use?


There were like 2-3 questions each regarding drug use, driving record, undetected crimes, work history, etc., but for those ones he literally just read the questions off of his sheet, and didn't seem all that interested in elaborating upon. Approximately 90+% of the interview was him grilling me about sexual questions, which seemed to be his favorite topic.

beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38am:
It sounds like this polygrapher, Dan Caputo, is a perverted pedophile who was getting a hard-on from your session.


At the very least I'm glad that I'm getting my point across, as what you describe is completely accurate. What I saw in the exam room that day was nothing short of cold-hearted evil.

2  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Everyday Sadist - Worst Polygraph Ever?
 on: Nov 16th, 2022 at 4:38am 
What's really strange is that for security clearances they only care about what you have done in the past seven (for Secret) or ten (for Top Secret) years, for most things.† The exceptions are felonies and maybe some other stuff I can't remember.† Or, if you are young like only 18 or 19 and trying to get a clearance, they will go back a couple years until when you are like 16 so they have enough info for your background check.

General criminal background checks go back only 7 years.

I would think the Arizona Dept. of Public Safety would not be nearly as stringent as a security clearance background check, but maybe fit more with a general criminal background check.

Basically, youthful indiscretions are irrelevant in a background check or polygraph unless you fit one of the exceptions I mentioned above.† I don't know why the polygrapher was asking about things you did when you were a minor and focusing so much on your sexual history.† You mean there was not a single question on drug use?† It sounds like this polygrapher, Dan Caputo, is a perverted pedophile who was getting a hard-on from your session.


3  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Everyday Sadist - Worst Polygraph Ever?
 on: Nov 16th, 2022 at 3:03am 
beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:09am:
Sir, do you realize that the rest of the world understands that a head nod indicates "yes," and a head shake indicates "no." Why do you want me to do it backwards?


So this was actually a typo that I just fixed, it was three inches down for yes, and three inches to the side for no. The point remains that he did this simply to make me uncomfortable, and succeeded in doing so.

beat_the_system wrote on Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:09am:
It is clear the polygraph is still just a circus act.  I've never heard of these asinine instructions or specific questions in any polygraph session.  Despite my flippant responses and use of hyperbole, it is still best not to make any confessions.  You should answer NO to all of these questions and just follow the polygraphers ridiculous instructions, even if it means only nodding your head "halfway down."  If you answer "no" to a question like if a stripper touched your dick, and the polygrapher badgers you, just keep saying "no, it never happened, and I never touched a stripper, only looked."  Even though this may be a lie, the polygrapher will never find out if you touched a stripper or if she touched your dick, so don't give him the pleasure of giving even the slightest confession.


Yes, I agree with everything you're saying. I wish I had started reading AP before my exam, but I was one of those idiots who thought if I just told the truth I'd be ok. In all the literature on AP and the rest of the internet, I haven't quite seen a polygraph exam that was conducted the way mine was. The closest comparison is a CBP poly, which makes this experience all the stranger. The whole thing seemed like such overkill for a non-sworn support role with the Arizona Department of Public Safety.

4  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Everyday Sadist - Worst Polygraph Ever?
 on: Nov 16th, 2022 at 1:09am 
User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"Have you ever fondled a girl while she was sleeping?"

Um . . . yes.† Every girl I have slept with.† The girls also fondle me when I'm sleeping.† Would you like to know what we do next when we wake up horny?


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
He did this to me by asking how many times I had visited strip clubs, and I remember thinking "I don't know man, I didnít write it down." After this rapid-fire round of questions, I believe he asked me whether I had gotten a private dance, and goes "Did she touch your penis?"

LOL.† Every† strip club I have been to the girl has touched my penis, put her tits in my face, and let me slap her ass.† What is your point?


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"have you ever been watching porn and the girl might've been underage?"
† Those "18 year old girls" might be 18, 17, 16, or 15.† How the hell am I supposed to know?


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"As a juvenile, did you ever have sexual contact with anyone more than two years younger than you?" he told me that sexual contact included "open mouth kissing."
† Stupid question.† If you are past a certain age, who remembers anything about high school?!† I remember grabbing a 12 year old girl's booty when I was 14 during a game of Truth or Dare.† My first time grabbing ass.† I though I was in love.


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
Surprised, I revealed that when I was 17, I kissed a girl that was 15. Caputo then responded by very rudely stating "Well are you sure she wasnít 14?" Needless to say, by the end of the pre-test interview, I was extremely frustrated and upset, and never should have agreed to the in-test phase of the examination while I was in this condition. Caputo had me right where he wanted me.
† I'm not sure I was even 17.† Maybe I was 16.†


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"Did you lie about or misrepresent anything pertaining to your employment application?"
† Doesn't everyone fudge their job description?† The part that I wrote about being an "H2O santitation engineering specialist" means I was just a waterboy.† Sorry for the confusion.


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"Have you ever committed or been involved in the commission of a sex crime?" and "Have you ever committed or been involved in the commission of a property crime?"
† So you don't care about all the murders I committed?† Just the prostitute that made me happy when was feeling glum and the neighbor's house I covered in toilet paper one Halloween when I was 18.


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
he told me to "think about a really embarrassing time in your life and answer no to that question." Along with this question, I believe that there was one other question that I was supposed to lie on, so there would be two questions that you were supposed to lie on, and two that you were supposed to tell the truth on.
† This makes no since.† Excite by body, then answer no, so it appears I am lying.† Stupid instruction.


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
"so this happens with about 40% of people who take polygraphs, it looks like you're talking with your gutÖ"
† I'm talking with my gut, and you are talking out of your ass for this statement.


User35 wrote on Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm:
Following this, the first time I went to answer a question I did so by nodding my head, and Caputo angrily yells at me "HALF OF THAT MOVEMENT." So, when answering his questions, you could literally nod your head about three inches down for no, and about three inches to the right for yes.
† Sir, do you realize that the rest of the world understands that a head nod indicates "yes," and a head shake indicates "no." Why do you want me to do it backwards?

It is clear the polygraph is still just a circus act.† I've never heard of these asinine instructions or specific questions in any polygraph session.† Despite my flippant responses and use of hyperbole, it is still best not to make any confessions.† You should answer NO to all of these questions and just follow the polygraphers ridiculous instructions, even if it means only nodding your head "halfway down."† If you answer "no" to a question like if a stripper touched your dick, and the polygrapher badgers you, just keep saying "no, it never happened, and I never touched a stripper, only looked."† Even though this may be a lie, the polygrapher will never find out if you touched a stripper or if she touched your dick, so don't give him the pleasure of giving even the slightest confession.†


5  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Everyday Sadist - Worst Polygraph Ever?
 on: Nov 12th, 2022 at 8:55pm 
Hello all,

I've shared my experience on the Personal Statements page, but I wanted to expand with more detail here.

I've read nearly every single personal statement and hundreds of message board posts on AP, and I honestly think that I might have had the most unprofessional examiner and worst polygraph experience ever. As you're reading this post, keep in mind that this was not a CBP exam, and I was not applying for a job that would have given me CIA-like access to classified information. Rather, the job that I applied for was a non-sworn, agency support role with the Arizona Department of Public Safety. Why this job even required a polygraph of any sort is beyond me, let alone one of this style.

I've titled this post "Everyday Sadism," based off of a Yelp review written by another individual who was given a polygraph by this company. Like this gentleman said, "everyday sadism" is the most apt description of what transpired during my exam.

The exam was conducted by a company called Northland Investigations, and by the owner of this company, Dan Caputo. I name him because I think it is important that these individuals stand by their behavior, and not be shielded by anonymity.

Anyhow, the experience was extremely bizarre from the moment I step into the exam room. When I first walk into the exam room, I'm holding a cup of coffee, of which I've drunken about a half of. Upon seeing this, Caputo basically jumps out of his seat and goes "Oh, let me take that from you, we don't like when people drink coffee, it changes your physiology." Mind you, along with the pre-exam questionnaire I was sent a list of instructions for the exam, which included things like not drinking alcohol 24 hours before the test, trying to get adequate sleep, not being sick, etc. Nowhere on this form did it say anything about not drinking coffee. So, Caputo was essentially playing mind games from the minute I walk into the exam room. What was also strange (and I promise I'm not saying this to sound petty) was that it appeared Caputo was wearing a shirt that seemed too small for him in an attempt to try and accentuate his biceps. In the first few minutes of the pre-test phase, he proceeds with the typical good cop routine. He thanks me for applying at DPS, because "we need good people like you." He assures me that everybody's violated at least some of the requirements, but in his experience, most people who fail do so because they lie about the frequency of their transgressions. He even tells me that he used to work as a game warden, and even he broke some of the rules. The rest of the introduction was basically right out of TLBTLD, which unfortunately I hadn't read up to this point. He gives me the whole spiel about how the machine detects homeostasis based on your fight or flight response, and how you couldn't control it even if you wanted to, blah blah blah. (I was shocked when I read TLBTLD, because he was basically quoting it verbatim.)

As we moved into the pre-test interview portion of the exam, it became obvious that this would be a harsh interrogation, not an opportunity to "clarify your answers" as is so often (and misleadingly) described in polygraph jargon. As Caputo was looking over the question sheet, he, seemingly off the top of his head, goes "Have you ever like, fondled a girl while she was sleeping?" In hindsight, I'm confident that this was asked to make me uncomfortable and provide him an opportunity to observe my body language, because after asking a few more questions, he, much more seriously this time, goes "Have you ever fondled a girl while she was sleeping?" While I'm sure there's reasons relating to polygraphy that he continued to ask me this, I think the main reason was that he observed my level of discomfort at being asked this question and enjoyed watching me become angry and upset. As someone who has never and would never do something like this, being asked this question multiple times definitely succeeded in making me upset and extremely uncomfortable. Caputo's creepy physical appearance and demeanor certainly did nothing to assuage my feelings of discomfort (I would encourage you to Google this individual for a better idea of what I mean by this.)

Throughout the pre-test portion of the exam, he continued to ask me questions like this, and as one other commenter of his wrote "was obnoxiously demanding of personal details." It seemed like a preferred tactic of his was to ask you how many times you've done something, and if you said something like "a few times," he would start aggressively blasting you with questions like "How many times is a few? Are you sure, you're completely sure? Ok, so there's absolutely no chance it was more than five? And you're completely sure, like absolutely positive?" He did this to me by asking how many times I had visited strip clubs, and I remember thinking "I don't know man, I didnít write it down." After this rapid-fire round of questions, I believe he asked me whether I had gotten a private dance, and goes "Did she touch your penis?" It is hard to put into writing, but the way he said it was so creepy that it literally made my skin crawl. After this (or it might have been right before,) he gets to a question about child pornography, and goes "have you ever been watching porn and the girl might've been underage?" Shocked at being asked that question, I incredulously respond "I donít know." I realize now that this was a mistake, but at the time I was so caught off guard that that was the only answer I could muster. Another strange instance during the pre-test interview was when Caputo got to the question asking, "As a juvenile, did you ever have sexual contact with anyone more than two years younger than you?" he told me that sexual contact included "open mouth kissing." Surprised, I revealed that when I was 17, I kissed a girl that was 15. Caputo then responded by very rudely stating "Well are you sure she wasnít 14?" Needless to say, by the end of the pre-test interview, I was extremely frustrated and upset, and never should have agreed to the in-test phase of the examination while I was in this condition. Caputo had me right where he wanted me.

Anyhow, as the pre-test interview concluded and we moved into the in-test phase of the examination, Caputo did the typical "Is there anything else you want to tell me before the test?" routine and informed me of which questions he was going to be asking me. The test would contain three relevant questions: "Did you lie about or misrepresent anything pertaining to your employment application?" "Have you ever committed or been involved in the commission of a sex crime?" and "Have you ever committed or been involved in the commission of a property crime?" He then handed me two sheets of paper with a list of definitions, and said "When I say sex crime, this is what I mean, when I say property crime, this is what I mean." I know now that the sheets he handed me were either exact copies of CBP's route maps or were very closely modeled after them. As I stated in my Personal Statement, when he was explaining the rules of the in-test phase of the examination, he did so in a way that extremely complex and virtually impossible to understand. After surveying the documents on AntiPolygraph, it is clear that the manner in which he did so was again modeled very closely after CBP's exam. What I still donít quite understand is that instead of instructing me to lie about something innocuous, he told me to "think about a really embarrassing time in your life and answer no to that question." Along with this question, I believe that there was one other question that I was supposed to lie on, so there would be two questions that you were supposed to lie on, and two that you were supposed to tell the truth on.

The first time I went to answer a question, I responded by verbally stating "no," and Caputo goes "so this happens with about 40% of people who take polygraphs, it looks like you're talking with your gutÖ" and stated that he was going to administer the silent answer test. Following this, the first time I went to answer a question I did so by nodding my head, and Caputo angrily yells at me "HALF OF THAT MOVEMENT." So, when answering his questions, you could literally nod your head about three inches down for yes, and about three inches to the right for no. I'm 99% sure that this was an orchestrated tactic that he was going to use from the beginning, because a.) I've taken a polygraph before, and never was I told that I "talk with my gut," and needed to respond in this manner b.) I have a naturally low voice, and nobody who knows me would ever say that I "talk with my gut," c.) he orchestrated the silent answer test after asking me *one* question, so it's doubtful he expected CM's d.) I was able to get in touch with another gentleman who was administered a polygraph by Northland Investigations, and he told me that he was instructed to do the same exact thing. In the words of this gentlemen: "I'm at a loss how anyone can consider that stress position to not return negative physiological reactions." Obviously, this was exactly the point, as Caputo loved seeing the disconcerted state I was in.

So now, we're in the in-test phase of the examination, and Caputo starts with his round of questions. During this first round of questions, I'm unable to remember which questions I'm supposed to lie on, and accidentally answer one his questions wrong. When I do this, he again angrily yells at me "YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO ANSWER NO TO THAT QUESTION." I remember wondering why he yelled at me when it was his fault for not explaining the directions clearly, and now I realize that it was all a part of his plan. After re-explaining the directions in a very annoyed manner, Caputo re-starts the exam, and I try my best to recall which questions I'm supposed to lie on, and which questions I'm supposed to tell the truth on. In addition to this, I'm trying to make sure that I donít move my head more than a few inches to the side, or too quickly. Apparently, I did this a couple of times, and Caputo proceeds to bitterly remind me "HALF OF THAT MOVEMENT." So, I'm sitting there trying to focus on answering his questions correctly, as well as trying my best to refrain from making too large of a movement, when Caputo suddenly yells in my ear "STOP TRYING TO THROW OFF THE MACHINE." He did not provide me with any specifics as to what I was allegedly doing to try to "throw off the machine," and I am highly confident that this was done to make me even more uncomfortable and increase his chances of eliciting a confession. In addition, Caputo reveled in my discomfort, and thoroughly enjoyed the pain he was inflicting onto me.

At this point, I am extremely annoyed, frustrated, and exhausted, and Caputo realizes this and launches into full on interrogation mode. He tells me that something is "on my mind" and proceeds to angrily shove his papers in my face and yell "WELL LOOK AT THIS," "HOW ABOUT THIS," "YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SOMETHING," "LOOK AT THIS ONE AGAIN." I continue to look at his papers and deny his accusations while he continues to badger me, and I believe he said something like "well let's try this one more time," and hooks me back up to the recording instruments. After asking me I think two questions, he gets up out of his chair, storms over to me, unhooks me from the tubes, and angrily storms out of the room. The manner in which he concluded the exam is without a doubt the most unprofessional and immature action that I have ever witnessed in my entire life, and I want to make it crystal clear that that is not an exaggeration of any kind. I sat there shocked and bewildered at the fact that any adult, or individual associated with law enforcement, would behave in such a manner. Even for the standards of polygraph examiners, this was shameless and unprofessional.

As he is leaving the room, he makes sure to make an extremely petty comment about not forgetting the cup of coffee I mentioned earlier, and sarcastically says "sorry that it cooled." I'm sure he was building up to making that comment the second he saw me walk in with a cup of coffee.

After he storms out of the room, I'm escorted back to the lobby by an HR associate, who can tell that I'm visibly upset. At this point, I know I'm out of the job, but am still stunned by what I had just witnessed.

In the words of Ugadda B "Everyday sadism is the most apt description I can provide of the experience." What I saw in the exam room that day was nothing short of cold-hearted evil. My experience that day made it clear that polygraphy is the instrument used by this individual to inflict pain onto others. The way he enjoyed my discomfort and reveled in my pain traumatizes me to this day, nearly five months after my exam. Since this examination, I've been offered two jobs that would have required polygraphs but have turned them down because of the lingering effects of this experience. Looking back on this day, there are about ten different times that I should have gotten up and walked out the exam room but didnít because of how much I wanted the job. Of course, I now realize that even if I had been offered the job, it would not have been worth subjecting myself to this kind of mistreatment. What I also realize is that polygraph examiners routinely take advantage of people while they're in a vulnerable state, allowing them to act in a way that no other circumstance would allow them to. If you are in the midst of a polygraph examination and your examiner begins to act this way, allow them to take your job opportunity, but do not allow them to take your dignity and peace of mind.

Last of all, shame on the police departments and government agencies that employ these individuals, and the polygraph organizations that enable this type of behavior. In this specific instance, shame on the Arizona Department of Public Safety, and shame on the American Polygraph Association. I know that having no shame is a prerequisite to being a polygraph examiner, but this is just embarrassing, and cruel.

6  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: This site is dead.
 on: Oct 27th, 2022 at 10:35am 
The site is not dead, just the issue.

7  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: Past PG info
 on: Oct 25th, 2022 at 5:20pm 
There is no one answer to your questions. It is commonplace for fire and police departments to retain information on applicants for years, and to share such information with other regional agencies. But each department may set its own data retention and information sharing policy.

In short, however, if you've recently had a polygraph with a fire or police department, there is a good chance that your information will be shared with other nearby departments with which you might seek employment.

8  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Past PG info
 on: Oct 25th, 2022 at 3:41pm 
Does an agency (Fire/Police Department) keep your PG information (If so how long) to provide to other hiring agencies you may be applying to?

Thank you.

9  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Action Alerts and Announcements / Re: How to Anonymously Share Files or Messages with AntiPolygraph.org
 on: Oct 23rd, 2022 at 6:04am 
Note that the address for AntiPolygraph.org's anonymous dropbox has changed as of 23 October 2022. The above post (as well as our contact page) has been edited to reflect this change.

10  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Off-Topic Posts / New: All MMPI-2 questions + HTML script for browser-based scoring
 on: Oct 19th, 2022 at 2:20pm 
The MMPI-2 is available on the "Forbidden Knowledge" Tor Hidden Service:

http://65b6ro3kmuuj4wvpqnepmk3y54eindlsuctixsovqpoz6x3yan7cxgid.onion

To view this site and take the MMPI-2 online, you will need to use the free Tor Browser, which you can download here:

https://www.torproject.org/download/

 
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