1  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Terrified of taking a polygraph!!!!
 on: Sep 19th, 2019 at 4:39am 
My last time copy and pasting this. I just want to reach you as I personally understand your fear. Fist oof, its ok, you will be ok! Something my lawyer told me that really helped is " Don't beat yourself up, others are lined up to do that. You got a job to do and that is to be razor focused on your therapy!" If you do fail, they will often let you retake it after assessing the situation.

I am off probation now myself but can convey my experience to you. First off, you have paid your debt and it is a solid fact that sex offenses have the lowest recidivism rate of all crimes, especially with treatment.  You need to stay focused on your treatment and or probation, everything you do can be of help to you or hurt you. Often they look at the big picture when assessing these matters. If you fail the polygraph but have clean slate otherwise and the chances are very low for you to be sent back to prison.

Only in a few states can you challenge the polygraph outright, what many of them do allow is for the scope of the questions to be limited. For instance, some states don't let them pry into things you were not charged with but, instead only if you are adhering to your probation.

When on probation I failed two polygraphs. One was a sexual history and the administrator made a general accusation, saying that I was hiding a hands on offense of some type. I was never accused or charged of that, and refused to admit to something I did not do and can't even imagine anything in my past to that even could be construed as such. It was never brought up again! I suspect it was a fishing expedition.  From that point on I had to do a compliance check. In that one he showed me a little tiny bump on the readout, smirking and said you know what that means? "It means when I asked you if you have been viewing porn, you were deceptive." Well, I had not and more to the point the genius had also asked me in early questions if I had adhered to the terms of my probation and been honest with my probation officer. I asked him when he failed me on that single issue, if we were done as I was not going to admit to something I didn't do and he said "Yes, you are free to leave unless you want to make this right and tell the truth" I got up and left and called my probation officer and told him I failed, I did not wait, in fact if I farted and thought it could be an issue I called my probation officer throughout the duration of my probation because I wanted him to know that I rightfully respected / feared the situation. I asked him how I could be lying about viewing porn if the terms of my probation were that I not, and that I reported to him weekly and stated on paper I had not, AND I PASSED THOSE QUESTIONS (adhered to probation and been honest with my probation officer). He said it was a good point and they let it go.

The fist rule of probation is DON'T BRAKE THE RULES. The second rule is get vested in your future and make sure they know you are trying to get your life on track. When people do reoffend it is often when they are at a low point "fuck it" attitude and feel no hope or light at the end of the tunnel. If you go down that road, you will get hounded. If you are doing well and fail a polygraph, depending on the supervising agency they will try to be balanced. The third rule is, don't admit to or even suggest "attempt to appease" if you did not do anything wrong, but firmly and respectfully assert yourself. You can also consult an attorney after as well as before you take the polygraph.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get your life back on track and stay offense free...



2  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: What can happen if you fail a polygraph used by SOTP and PO
 on: Sep 19th, 2019 at 4:20am 
PROBATION IS NOT COURT. You would not be getting a new charge and therefore it would not be a matter of admissibility in court. You would be failing to meet the terms of your probation. Nice little trick they play there.

I am going to copy and paste a bit from another post I made but you can get the idea.

I am off probation now myself but can convey my experience to you. First off, you have paid your debt and it is a solid fact that sex offenses have the lowest recidivism rate of all crimes, especially with treatment.

You need to stay focused on your treatment and or probation, everything you do can be of help to you or hurt you. Often they look at the big picture when assessing these matters. If you fail the polygraph but have clean slate otherwise the chances are very low for you to be sent back to prison in most states. Also should you fail, make sure they know you want to work towards passing it and that it is important to you that you be in compliance. Also talk to a lawyer prior to be assured of the limits they can impose on you and what you should do if you do fail, as George said it depends on the state and also how much of a risk they see you as.

Only in a few states can you challenge the polygraph outright, what many of them do allow is for the scope of the questions to be limited. For instance, some states don't let them pry into things you were not charged with but, instead only if you are adhering to your probation.

Having said that, here is my deal: When on probation I failed two polygraphs. One was a sexual history and the administrator made a general accusation, saying that I was hiding a hands on offense of some type. I was never accused or charged of that, and refused to admit to something I did not do and can't even imagine anything in my past to that even could be construed as such. It was never brought up again! I suspect it was a fishing expedition.  From that point on I had to do a compliance check. In that one he showed me a little tiny bump on the readout, smirking and said you know what that means? "It means when I asked you if you have been viewing porn, you were deceptive." Well, I had not and more to the point the genius had also asked me in early questions if I had adhered to the terms of my probation and been honest with my probation officer. I asked him when he failed me on that single issue, if we were done as I was not going to admit to something I didn't do and he said "Yes, you are free to leave unless you want to make this right and tell the truth" I got up and left and called my probation officer and told him I failed, I did not wait, in fact if I farted and thought it could be an issue I called my probation officer throughout the duration of my probation because I wanted him to know that I rightfully respected / feared the situation. I asked him how I could be lying about viewing porn if the terms of my probation were that I not, and that I reported to him weekly and stated on paper I had not, AND I PASSED THOSE QUESTIONS (adhered to probation and been honest with my probation officer). He said it was a good point and they let it go. (This is not a guarantee, just my story)

The fist rule of probation is DON'T BRAKE THE RULES. The second rule is get vested in your future and make sure they know you are trying to get your life on track. When people do reoffend it is often when they are at a low point "fuck it" attitude and feel no hope or light at the end of the tunnel. If you go down that road, you will get hounded. If you are doing well and fail a polygraph, depending on the supervising agency they will try to be balanced. The third rule is, don't admit to or even suggest "attempt to appease" if you did not do anything wrong, but firmly and respectfully assert yourself. You can also consult an attorney after as well as before you take the polygraph.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get your life back on track and stay offense free...


3  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: On federal "supervised release"
 on: Sep 19th, 2019 at 4:09am 
Yes it can be scary. I am off probation now myself but can convey my experience to you. First off, you have paid your debt and it is a solid fact that sex offenses have the lowest recidivism rate of all crimes, especially with treatment. Don't get frustrated with hatful comments from shallow people. You need to stay focused on your treatment and or probation, everything you do can be of help to you or hurt you. Often they look at the big picture when assessing these matters. If you fail the polygraph but have clean slate otherwise and the chances are very low for you to be sent back to prison.

Only in a few states can you challenge the polygraph outright, what many of them do allow is for the scope of the questions to be limited. For instance, some states don't let them pry into things you were not charged with but, instead only if you are adhering to your probation. As George stated, talk to a lawyer!

Having said that, here is my deal: When on probation I failed two polygraphs. One was a sexual history and the administrator made a general accusation, saying that I was hiding a hands on offense of some type. I was never accused or charged of that, and refused to admit to something I did not do and can't even imagine anything in my past to that even could be construed as such. It was never brought up again! I suspect it was a fishing expedition.  From that point on I had to do a compliance check. In that one he showed me a little tiny bump on the readout, smirking and said you know what that means? "It means when I asked you if you have been viewing porn, you were deceptive." Well, I had not and more to the point the genius had also asked me in early questions if I had adhered to the terms of my probation and been honest with my probation officer. I asked him when he failed me on that single issue, if we were done as I was not going to admit to something I didn't do and he said "Yes, you are free to leave unless you want to make this right and tell the truth" I got up and left and called my probation officer and told him I failed, I did not wait, in fact if I farted and thought it could be an issue I called my probation officer throughout the duration of my probation because I wanted him to know that I rightfully respected / feared the situation. I asked him how I could be lying about viewing porn if the terms of my probation were that I not, and that I reported to him weekly and stated on paper I had not, AND I PASSED THOSE QUESTIONS (adhered to probation and been honest with my probation officer). He said it was a good point and they let it go.

The fist rule of probation is DON'T BRAKE THE RULES. The second rule is get vested in your future and make sure they know you are trying to get your life on track. When people do reoffend it is often when they are at a low point "fuck it" attitude and feel no hope or light at the end of the tunnel. If you go down that road, you will get hounded. If you are doing well and fail a polygraph, depending on the supervising agency they will try to be balanced. The third rule is, don't admit to or even suggest "attempt to appease" if you did not do anything wrong, but firmly and respectfully assert yourself. You can also consult an attorney after as well as before you take the polygraph.

Best of luck to you and I hope you get your life back on track and stay offense free...


4  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Failed Poly
 on: Sep 17th, 2019 at 5:00am 
Iím a 45 year male with no law enforcement experience. I decided on a career change after 20 years in management at my current job. So I took the test for local PD in California. I passed the written exam and was invited to participate in the physical agility test. I crushed it. Even beating some guys 20 years younger than me. Iím in top shape and I take my workouts seriously. I then competed my Pre Employment package.. I passed that and moved on to background. Perfect driving record, excellent credit, excellent employment history and stable family. However my BI kept asking me if I was sure I wanted to go through the academy at my age.. I said of course I do. So I was pushed through the background process. Feeling I had an upper hand on these young recruits I felt very confident. So I was then scheduled for the poly. A buddy of mine within the department told me itís all just for show and they will mess with you to see if you crack. So I went in extremely relaxed and confident. The polygraphs was about my age and we had a pleasant conversation. I could tell he noticed I wasnít easily intimidated by his BS. So he behaved. After the poly he said ď something is weighing you downĒ it seems like you are hiding something. I chuckled and said Iíve told u everything about me in the PHS and Iíve been nothing but honest so I would like some honesty from you as well. He then said this interview is over, Iíll let your BI know you failed. I replied ďwhy would I fail? ď he didnít answer and escorted me out. I then spoke to my BI and she said I failed a question about drug use. Again I was offended because Iíve never done drugs or smoke... Geez my last drink was probably 2 or 3 years ago... lol So I received a Thanks but you are not moving forward please apply next year email. My buddy said they were really looking for much younger candidates and the poly was their way of legally cutting me even though I was a qualified candidate... sound like I got shafted.. They canít legally discriminate on my age but I wasnít their cup of tea.. Sad Sad Sad..

5  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Another CBP polygraphy fail and unprofessional experience
 on: Sep 16th, 2019 at 7:52pm 
I know of 4x military aviators with Top Secret Clearances, 2x with poly's (me being one of them) who have failed the CPB poly. The whole system stinks, they have the lowest pass rate of any LEA.

6  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Another CBP polygraphy fail and unprofessional experience
 on: Sep 15th, 2019 at 3:34am 
I was tested by this examiner for a BPA exam and failed.  The chest straps were placed around my chest hard enough that I couldn't help but be aware of my breathing.  I told her as much and she shrugged it off. I wasn't nervous, confessed to and answered every question with honesty. After a few hours of charts, she said that I was deceptive, and I recieved the failure email about 30 days later.
Fair enough, huh? I believe that I would've been a great asset to the agency based on my knowledge and idealism, but it doesn't matter now.

7  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Sons polygraph experience
 on: Sep 14th, 2019 at 12:45am 
From experience....my father doesn't know everything I have done. I have not done well on exams in the past but finally told everything prior to my exam expecting to get kicked out of the hiring process. But surprisingly I passed and was hired. Not saying this is the case with your son but I wish him the best of luck.

8  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Feel punished for honesty and that my life is ruined
 on: Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:35am 
he also used his GI bill to pay for a police academy, graduated and passed the state certification just never got hired from a local pd. He is now happy he got disqualified form local pd being with the feds has way better benefits and pay. and can transfer to all parts in united states including Puerto rico  and Hawaii.

9  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Share Your Polygraph or CVSA Experience / Re: Feel punished for honesty and that my life is ruined
 on: Sep 13th, 2019 at 6:28am 
Similar thing happened to one of my friends is a military veteran he failed the background for telling the truth and then kept on getting disqualified for other agency's because they ask to put down previous agency's you have applied for. my advice to you is apply for federal law enforcement officer he works a federal law enforcement agency and they don't care where you have applied before they only care where have you worked before. one good federal agency that does not require poly and is law enforcement with 20 year retirement is the federal prison/bop.

10  Employment Forums (Non-polygraph related) / Federal Law Enforcement Applications, Hiring, and Employment / Re: CBP Polygraph Failure
 on: Sep 5th, 2019 at 3:49pm 
Be careful, you don't want to drop a quarter into quickfix.

 
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