1  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Today at 2:23pm 
quickfix wrote yesterday at 9:39pm:
There is no inherent right to a security clearance or federal employment.


So if there is no right that entitles you to abuse people?  There's also no right to commit slander and libel.  If the polygraph is so vital to national security, why don't we polygraph Federal judges and prosecutors?  Are they a special class that is above reproach?  Have you ever contemplated any of the above Quickfix or are you just happy to do whatever it takes to collect a paycheck?  Judging from what you've shown on this site if you didn't have the polygraph you'd be working in a carwash.   Grin

2  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / CVSA and other Voice Stress Analysis Applications / Re: wil stuttering affect CVSA results
 on: Today at 10:31am 
I'm a stutterer, how can my stuttering affect the result of my Polygraph interview

3  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 11:27pm 
Wandersmann wrote yesterday at 5:04pm:
Maybe you can find someone who speaks English at a 2+ or 3 level who can explain to you what I just said

I guess he couldn't find anyone and he still can't handle the truth (DODI 5210.91.)

Go back under your rock asswipe.  You're only showing how ignorant you are every time you post something.

4  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 9:39pm 
Wandersmann wrote yesterday at 5:04pm:
Okay Quickfix, I'm done blathering.  Maybe you can find someone who speaks English at a 2+ or 3 level who can explain to you what I just said.


I can explain it:  it's jibberish.  You all use the popular buzzwords, i.e. human rights, torture, Orwellian, etc.  You all pat each other on the back with your "well said".  THE BOTTOM LINE:  if you think a class-action suit is going anywhere, you're delusional.  There is no inherent right to a security clearance or federal employment.  It is a privilege.  But go ahead and follow the cockroach convicted felon (WHO PLED GUILTY) Williams.  We look forward to it.

5  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 7:36pm 
John M. wrote yesterday at 5:20pm:
“The lie detector cannot be killed by science because it is not born of science.  Its habitat is not the laboratory or even the courtroom, but newsprint, film, television, and of course the pulps, comic books and science fiction.  To put it in the more sober language of economics; lie detection is demand-driven.”

“The lie detector is not a hoax so much as a mirror of make-believe.  Since the 50’s America’s sci-fi religion, Scientology, has used the E-Meter – a simple galvanometer – to gauge the spiritual health of initiates as they verify their ascent to “clear.” 

Simply substitute "DIA, Office of Security" for "Scientology."


Excellent post John M.  This is a perfect summary.  Not to sound cliche, but the polygraph truly is society's fault.   Again, I hearken back to our Founding Fathers. They knew that the masses and pure democracies throughout history have lead to tyranny of the masses.  That is why they emphasized people of high moral character to represent the people in a representative government.  These representatives were supposed to commit political suicide, if necessary, to do what was right.  As we've discussed earlier, we no longer have people of high moral character representing us.  Embarrassed

6  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 5:20pm 
Passages from the fascinating book “The History of an American Obsession, The Lie Detectors” by Ken Alder

“The lie detector cannot be killed by science because it is not born of science.  Its habitat is not the laboratory or even the courtroom, but newsprint, film, television, and of course the pulps, comic books and science fiction.  To put it in the more sober language of economics; lie detection is demand-driven.”

“The lie detector is not a hoax so much as a mirror of make-believe.  Since the 50’s America’s sci-fi religion, Scientology, has used the E-Meter – a simple galvanometer – to gauge the spiritual health of initiates as they verify their ascent to “clear.”   

Simply substitute "DIA, Office of Security" for "Scientology."

7  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 5:04pm 
John M. wrote yesterday at 2:38pm:
I came to the realization that using the polygraph results as evidence of wrongdoing, is in fact, a human rights violation.


Examining this wrongdoing provides a wonderful opportunity to understand why our Founding Fathers practiced dueling and gives me an opportunity to praise them now that they are constantly under attack and their customs and philosophies now considered anachronisms.  Human rights violations don't bother me half as much as the concept of taking away a man's honor without any proof.  Now I completely understand the dueling concept and if these spineless rats that falsely condemn innocent people were ever legally challenged on the field of honor the polygraph would go away overnight.  Only a coward would take advantage of a situation where he can be a sanctioned bully and profit thereby.  As a military college graduate who lived under a stringent honor code and former military officer the thought of impugning a man's hard earned reputation and honor through this witchcraft is unthinkable.  Through my polygraph experiences I've learned that the millennial narcissists who are running this country know as much about honor as I know about meringue dancing.  Okay Quickfix, I'm done blathering.  Maybe you can find someone who speaks English at a 2+ or 3 level who can explain to you what I just said.  Angry

8  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 3:19pm 
It also occurred to me that this policy is a left over from Obamaism.  And just like its brothers Fascism, Socialism, and Communism, it survives by denying human rights.

The populist zeal to root out the next Edward Snowden has overwhelmed the cognitive privacy that is the basis of our political conscience.

Therein lies the duality of this mess.

9  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Yesterday at 2:38pm 
I came to the realization that using the polygraph results as evidence of wrongdoing, is in fact, a human rights violation.

This inherently probabilistic and subjective evaluation must never be used to discriminate truth from lies.

BLUF - False positives produce wrongful convictions.

Check this out - even the APA itself puts the accuracy of a relevant question test at 85% (confidence interval 77% - 93%) with an inconclusive rate of 13%.

http://www.polygraph.org/polygraph-validity-research

That's probably only accounting for the first "test" - wonder what the overall pass rates are for the next four interrogations.  Mine alternated between "No Opinion" and "Significant Response".  I don't care what they say, no matter what you do, you can't un-ring that bell, or get the toothpaste back in the tube.  You are screwed.

Welcome to abuse by polygraph.





10  Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Imprisoned Polygraph Critic Doug Williams on This American Life Radio Program
 on: Jun 21st, 2017 at 8:12pm 
You just nailed it Wandersmann.

The Inspector General system is also a farce.  They're the foxes guarding the hen houses.

 
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