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Message started by LieBabyCryBaby on May 11th, 2009 at 3:07pm

Title: Re: Tried Countermeasurs and Screwed Yourself? Sue Maschke and Scalabrini
Post by LieBabyCryBaby on May 12th, 2009 at 2:55am
Cullen, I don't need to go through a point-by-point critique of TLBTLD.  Some of it is taken directly from polygraph manuals used by polygraph examiners, and some of it references questionable lab studies that can't be applied to the field, although they are actual studies by reputable researchers.  I've already stated that the little book contains some truth and some good information.

However, George takes a good little information booklet and then dives off a cliff with it.  Because of his personal vendetta against the polygraph, due to his having failed every relevant question on an FBI exam, he takes that dive by claiming that he knows how to "beat" the polygraph, and then he hits rock bottom when he counsels others how to do so, despite his own lack of experience, training or qualifications.

Seriously, Cullen, look at it this way:

Is any intelligent person who has nothing to hide going to come to a website like this and take the advice of people who only FAILED a polygraph--or in your case multiple polygraphs--and who have never passed a polygraph by using the countermeasures they advocate? If I tell you that you can survive a plane crash by jumping up in the air just a split second before the plane hits the ground, are you going to try it? Are you going to put your hand in a box with a large snake you haven't identified just because someone you don't know tells you that the snake is not poisonous, especially when they won't put their own hand in the box?  It's easy to tell others what they should do when you don't have to suffer the consequences yourself.

Which brings us back to a question I've asked multiple times on this forum: Where are all the people who read TLBTLD, lie to the relevant questions, and pass the polygraph by using the countermeasures advocated by George, Gino, and all of you sycophants who follow them around?  We never hear from those people, do we?  You can say, "Well, they don't post that information here because they might get caught."  That's a lame excuse, especially since this is a very anonymous forum--I'm proof of that anonymity myself.

George failed every relevant question on his FBI exam because he attempted spontaneous countermeasures and it backfired on him.  In all my experience, I can think of only one other reason why someone with no experience would fail EVERY relevant question, since that is unheard of--and that is that the person actually lied to every relevant question.  I don't believe that George was lying to every relevant question--no one is THAT involved in nefarious behavior.  Studies show that spontaneous countermeasures can increase a person's appearance of deceptiveness.  In short, George screwed himself, and now he is unwittinly screwing others, and I've seen it firsthand in the polygraph room.

Since there are no studies and no evidence that countermeasures work, and no witnesses to attest that they do, isn't it completely ignorant for you and others like you to claim, as if you are experts in the matter, that they work?

TLBTLD contains no curriculum vitae, no indemnity clause, and no warning from its authors that the advice they give may cause serious harm.  Add to that dearth of credibility George's own statement that the information is not infallible, and you end up with the "snake oil" you love so much.

I know you can't back down from your ridiculous, ignorant claims because you, like George, have invested too much of your time and effort into the anti-polygraph "cause," that to admit your ignorance and desist in your faulty advice would just about kill you. As far as wasted time invested in this forum, I'm a fine one to talk, since I have recently spent too much time here talking to people like you who don't have a leg to stand on simply for the sake of my own entertainment and to counsel gullible readers who might actually swallow what you're all shoveling here.

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