AntiPolygraph.org Message Board
Polygraph and CVSA Forums >> Polygraph Policy >> Latest Study Indicates "Lie Behind the Lie Detector" Hurts Innocent, Doesn't Help Guilty
https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1192473646

Message started by skip.webb on Oct 15th, 2007 at 6:40pm

Title: Re: Latest Study Indicates "Lie Behind the Lie Detector" Hurts Innocent, Doesn't Help Guilty
Post by 1904 on Oct 23rd, 2007 at 2:51pm
Quote: Barry Cushman


Quote:

There are some who claim knowledge of the test has hindered them; however, the research literature doesn't support that position. (Intuitively, it doesn't make sense either.)



This gives credence to AP’s position that clean-living, truthful subjects who in fear of failing a pg exam should read TLBTLD.


Quote:

False information about the process is another animal, and we know little about that one.



Another good reason to read TLBTLD. Lots of good information in there.
Even Dr Lou Rovner thought so.
And Rovner surely knows better than Barry Cushman.


Quote:

You'll find a lot of bad info on the other site;(reference to AP) although, I've noticed that lately there are some good challenges to the dribble they peddle. Remember, the anti site wants to end polygraph. They have a vested interest in your failures. If you fail, then they win. (very silly comment-1904)


Actually, the aim of AP is to eradicate pseudo-science.  If you pass, you win and they lose. AP wins nothing if you fail.


Quote:

Personally, I expect everybody I test to have read the web. It's when they start believing what they've read that problems arise.


Mr Cushman would prefer it that you turn up knowing nothing about polygraph, but if you do use your brain and carry out a little knowledge research, then he would like it if you ignore that knowledge and listen only to the words of Barry the sincere and trustworthy examiner.



Quote:

There are some tests that use comparison questions. (They used to be called "control" questions, but they aren't controls in the scientific sense of the term.)


There is no science involved in the first instance.


Quote:

Some of the tests allow the examinee to choose to lie to those questions on his own; in others, he is directed to lie to certain questions. They are used for comparison purposes.


This is garbled misinformation. Where the examinee may use his discretion (choice) whether or not to lie to the Comparison/Control Question it is a ‘Probable Known Lie’ type of CQ.
Only when the examinee is specifically instructed to lie to a CQ does it then become a Directed Lie CQ.


Quote:

Personally, I think most of the postings on that site (AntiPoly) are from the same people. In other words, I suspect some lonely soul is, oftentimes, having conversations with himself. Some of the claims there are outlandish, but I see they've been taken to task lately and seem to be a little panicked.


This statement is an insult to the ordinary folk who come here for advice. It is concerning though that Barry alludes to having an inside track to AP Admin decisions and actions.

Offhand I would say that the particular inference is a blatant lie, designed to scare off inquiring minds that visit this site.




AntiPolygraph.org Message Board » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2024. All Rights Reserved.