ODIN wrote on Dec 9^th, 2005 at 9:39am:

OK I will say this only one more time and then I am done with you. Politics, does have a part in this converstation, because you want to out law polygraph. I don't know if you know this, but they make the laws. Don't say you want to out law polygraph if you don't want to discuss the personal motivations self serving elected officals that you count on to pass the law. Political quips are only insulting if they are true and you guys make claims that you were telling the truth with no fact to back it up.

Sigh.  Well, I really did try.  The administrator of the site has the final say, after all, as to whether or not what you're posting is relevant to the subject at hand.  To my mind it's clearly not, and it's obvious that you lack the courage to carry on a discussion of the polygraph without straying into side issues and ad hominems.

As for me, well, if I wanted to argue with the "leading lights" of right wing extremism, I'd go to Free Republic.  In fact, it's how I've spent the majority of my time online for the last decade or so.  However, I'll note that:

- Promoting effective security measures, and eschewing wasteful, snake-oil efforts are conservative values
- Promoting individual liberties and opposing an overbearing, intrusive government are conservative values.

These values argue for the elimination of the polygraph.  But then, conservatism ain't what it used to be, so I can understand why you'd not get this.


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The Drug test thing doesn't fly. It is so much more easy to beat a drug test than a polygraph. I am not saying there is not false positives.

The main difference, of course, is that drug tests actually measure what they're supposed to measure, and are used as such.  Polygraphs don't measure lies, yet they're used that way.


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One of these days I hope to be experianced enough to take the so called challenge. But how would I be assured that if I do catch countermeasures Gorge won't lie and say "I did not", and golly gee I guess I will just have to take his word for it.

This can easily be controlled-for.  Typical scientific study stuff -- you don't have to "just trust him".


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On top of that if someone were to take the challenge I would hope that one condition would be if the person gets caught in counter measures, ownership of antipolygraph.org and all rights should be surendered to that examiner and Gorge should offer a press release that he got caught by polygraph and it is valid.

To my mind, that's a bit extreme, given the overall weight of scientific evidence that says the polygraph isn't reliable. However, I would expect the results to be posted here for all to see.  I suppose it's up to Mr. Maschke as to how he would handle that.

Thus far, no polygrapher has had the guts to even try the challenge, despite it being outstanding for more than two years.  I'd guessing you guys have more to lose than Mr. Maschke, and wouldn't be surprised if, upon deciding to take up the challenge, other polygraphers discourage you from doing so.


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I am discussing an issue you just want to twist words, insult, yell and throw fits because I won't blindly follow, and don't expect you to blindly follow me.

So you say.  Yet, you can't resist the ad hominems, it seems.


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I have shown I am willing to listen. only you have show your unwillingness of inablity to to keep an open mind.

Saying it doesn't make it so.  Your posts speak eloquently enough as to your approach to this discussion.


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I wonder is the 3 cops I helped put on the streets today feel I ruined their lives?

Congratulations to them.  I hope they told you the truth, and I hope the ones you haven't passed actually lied.  But I wouldn't bet on either, without outside evidence.