ODIN,

I must say never have I seen a message thread go from 1 to 5 pages in such a short time. Congrats on setting some kind of record.  I am kinda miffed that you didn't see fit enough to mention me as one who has been more than gracious and fair. But then agian you have been up to your neck in Alligators looking to have you for dinner. Again I did say beware in an earlier message. I have been being civil and reading your posts because you have been up front and honest.

Now lets get down to business.

1. THe polygraph is not voluntary !! either in Law Enforcement or Pre-employment. In law enforcement using your molester model. ANd believe me I have no love of these lowlife bottom feeders. But none the less all are entitled to far treatment under the law. IF he refuses the test, bang,  back to jail, if he is found DI, bang, back to jail, if he is hung with a false positive for what ever reason, its (you guessed it) bang,  back to jail.
This person is left very little room for error. Now if you get him to admit to doing something again, then he is more than welcome to (you guessed it) bang,  back to jail.Hence why this person looks to alternatives to beat the box. BUt if you do get him, feel free to screw him  over as much as possible, Lock him up and throw away the key, staking this scumbag to a red ant mound might be highly entertaining too.

And refuse to take a polygraph in a criminal investigation is like branding yourself, guilty even though your not.

For employment, if you don't take the polygraph, you don't get the job. And the consequences of dealing with a false positive by a Federal or State agency has lifelong consequences. You say your fair, and I will give you the benefit of the doubt. But I have little or no want to gamble with my intergrity and honor at the hands of a polygrapher, that considers him/herself as judge, jury and executioner.  Had too many of my people denied there jobs because of polygraphy. Smart people need to be filling the jobs watching out and defending  this country. And not being reclassified because a polygraph branded them for the rest of there life. Every time we lose a person to a machine that has no scientific basis is truly wrong, all the money, training, and potential benefits are gone. And I hate wasting money.

2. You have said that you have caught countermeasure users, I can understand why with the Doug Williams rag. But how many have you caught with the book from this website ? And interesting number based on your work record. And how do you deal with folks, that are trained in counter interrogation techniques. If you have ever even run into anyone like that. THere are quite a few of us out here by the way.

3. You have your own rules and tests that you follow for each situation. How do you handle those folks that are even above countermeasure training. Who know deep down in there souls that the machine doesn't work without the big three stimulators being used. SUch as a) No Fear or Anxiety b) No buy in to the accuracy of the polygraph  c) no consequences .
With out these three stimulators the box just produces a bunch of lines.  Because I do believe that no matter how you may want to try various stim tests. They simply can't be reached because in their minds they are in control and the polygraph is a non entity.

Psychology works again as a double edged sword.

Regards