Bill Crider wrote on May 26^th, 2004 at 7:43pm:

ok, my last try.... polygraphers are duping you about how the polygraph really works. they are not duping you into an admission of something. it would only be duping if they said for example, only drug usage in the last 12 months is relevant and after you admitted to it, they told you the standard is actually 5 years. as for the quote about who would be honest about stuff. thats simple. A person of integrity does not apply for positions if they do not meet the drug usage standards. if you are willing to lie and rationalize just for your own advantage, you should not get the job.

Nope. Still don't see it. If a polygrapher tells you that the box is indicating deception, when it is in fact NOT, in an effort to coerce an admission... he's duping you.

This is not a polygraph "examination" (or and "examination" of any kind for that matter), it is an interrogation. The whole polygraph process is a sham to dupe unsuspecting individuals who feel little if any guilt (becuase their crime is fairly innocuous and innocent in their own eyes) into confessing every last modicum so the polygrapher can be judge, jury, and executioner.

The process is by it's very virtue a "dupe session", and the dupe most certainly can be (and routinely is) duped during the dupe session. And if anyone should know, it would be me, because you just so happen to be corresponding with a noted Grade-A "dupe" at this very moment. (Fool me once, shame on me...)



And your answer about "who would be honest and stuff" is a bit vapid and lacking.  There is very little reason TO LIE except for personal advantage. 99% of all people do it every single day. The job I applied for required it.

It's not like I can't see the merits of a implementing a "lie detector" if it actually had the ability to detect lies. Such a machine does not exist though. What they use now victimizes the innocent (and the marginally guilty for that matter) and rewards the guilty.

Ultimately though, you are correct. I LIED on my paperwork. I do not deserve the job (or the pay cut, or having to lie to my friends/family about my employment, or having to relocate to DC where I'd not be able to afford a home on the paltry sum they'd be paying me, or the DELMARVA traffic jams, or the requirement to violate the laws of foreign nations risking imprisonment in some third world hellhole, nor applying my decades of noted military and commercial experience in the field while working under the duress of an employer who could terminate me at any moment that the so-called lie detector says that I'm being "deceptive", nor any of the headaches). No, I don't deserve the job. You're absolutley right. We need someone with "integrity". We need the best of the best. We need the guy that cleans the Cincinnati Reds bus:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20040519/news_lz1s19glry.html

Give him the job. I'm sure he'd appreciate it!