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https://antipolygraph.org/cgi-bin/forums/YaBB.pl?num=1026981708 Message started by alwazracin on Jul 18th, 2002 at 11:41am |
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Title: Re: Need HELP with identifying control!!!! Post by George W. Maschke on Sep 3rd, 2002 at 9:22am
Gordon,
You write: Quote:
Foreign intelligence services' knowledge of polygraph technology and procedures is not dependent upon any cooperative agreement with the U.S. Government, or arrangements with U.S. polygraph schools. A great deal of information has been published about polygraphy, and that open source information is available not only to friends and allies, or countries that pose no realistic threat to the U.S., but to any government or organization. (And polygraph instruments can be readily obtained, despite U.S. export controls.) Quote:
Gordon, every article you've ever written for Polygraph is also readily accessed by any intelligence agency in the world. The American Polygraph Association has recently made it cheaper and easier by making the first 30 volumes available on CD-ROM. I haven't asked you to cooperate in an endeavor to present foreign intelligence services with "knowledge of our security screening programs and procedures and how to circumvent them." I've asked you general questions related to the scientific basis for CQT and R/I polygraphy. I don't see any legitimate security concern that would prevent you from addressing, for example, the following questions (which you've thus far dodged):
There is no national security concern that prevents you from addressing these questions, Gordon. I think it is intellectually dishonest of you to suggest that such is the case. It is increasingly apparent that the reason you won't substantively address these questions is that the answers would cause embarrassment to you and the polygraph community. Quote:
What has changed since Weir wrote -- and Ansley published -- articles detailing the polygraph screening procedure then in use by the NSA? That information became immediately available to anyone who cared to peruse Polygraph, including the intelligence services of Cold War adversaries. Has information about the R/I technique (and even its theoretical basis) become more sensitive now that the Cold War is over? In a sense, perhaps it has. Nowadays, the polygraph community seems to be much more concerned about the American people learning about polygraphy than it ever was about foreign intelligence services learning about it. Gordon, you say that polygraph testing "evolves." With regard to the Relevant/Irrelevant screening "test," it appears that any "evolution" has occurred in the absence of any new federal research. The Defense Security Service's answer to a Freedom of Information Act request I filed for all DoDPI information on the Relevant/Irrelevant screening "test" indicates that DoDPI has done no research whatsoever on this technique. (See the message thread DSS Withholds R/I Screening Documentation.) Gordon, forgive me if your final question was merely a rhetorical one. I'm going to address it. You asked, "Do you think that just because some details were published more than a quarter century ago, the Government ought to keep you (and hence every intelligence service worldwide) updated on every change as it occurs?" I think that if applicants for federal employment (as well as current employees) are going to have their honesty and integrity assessed on the basis of the Relevant/Irrelevant polygraph technique (or any other polygraph technique, for that matter), and the U.S. Government is to take adverse action in whole or in part on the basis thereof (as it routinely does), then due process requires that those against whom adverse action is taken be provided access to the methodology that was used by the U.S. Government to stigmatize them, and to challenge that methodology, whether in an administrative hearing, or in a court of law. |
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