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Oh, Mark, Mark, Mark....you haven't bneen reading the same posts have you.  It seems to me that you of "that" ilk have been slandering "us" with a variety of monikers that sound and look an awful lot like your list.  I am sorry, but George gets targeted because he is the pseudo-leader of this crew.  When you are at the top, you take the good with the bad.  You say that at least one thing....you are right...I am glad that you feel that way...and you certainly have a right to your personal opinion.  My opnion?   I disagree that you are right...and vehemently.   The one thing I can say is thank God none of you have security clearances!

Torpedo,

Let's just say you're right about everything in your post.  And let's just say that all the insults about us are true.  And let's just say that all our insults against the pro-poly people are wrong.  Then a couple of facts remain:

1) The NAS report still trashes polygraph screening.
2) The polygraph community's response to the NAS report has been feeble.  They have rebutted none of it.  They haven't even tried to.  Is it really their best rejoinder that nobody on the distinguished panel has ever conducted a polygraph, therefore they aren't qualified to issue an opinion?
3) Drew's countermeasures challenge is, as Marty has also stated, a good framework within which to assess the polygrapher's ability to detect countermeasures.  If they don't like Drew, and don't like anyone on this board, and don't want to be seen as knuckling under to anyone here, why not set up their own countermeasures testing, similar to the one Drew has outlined, and see what happens.  Or why don't they point to any research which shows that they can reliably detect countermeasures?

Incidentally, Drew Richardson and I both held top secret clearances, and I believe others on this board held or still hold top secret clearances, such as Fair Chance and others.  As far as I know, none of us on this site ever betrayed the trust placed in us.  Certainly, no proof of such has ever been forthcoming.  UNLIKE Aldrich Ames, Ana Belen Montes, Larry Wu Tai Chin, all of whom held top secret clearances and passed their polygraph.

It therefore seems your assurance is misplaced, and you should actually be concerned not about us holding clearances, but about who among those who "passed" their polygraphs is betraying this country.