I need your help.  I am a convicted sex offender and yes, according to the stupid standards put in place by society, I am guilty.  My lover is only 10 years only but she is very mature and knows her own mind.  The fact that I am 42 should have nothing to do with it.  As a part of my probation I am required to take polygraph test.  When I first started probation I was too afraid to do any thing with my lover because I knew I had to take a polygraph test and fear they would find out.  Then I found your website.  It sounded great.  I would have no problems with the polygraph test.  So I resumed my affair with my lover.  When my polygraph test came up I had a big problem.  When I got to the polygraph office the guy there had a copy of your book sitting on the table.  He asked me if I had read this book and I lied and told him that I had not.  On the test he asked me questions about having sex with children.  I tried to do the things that your book recommended but I guess they did not work.  After the test the guy told me that I had lied about having sex with children and that I had been trying to fake him out.  Then my lover told her parents we were seeing each other again.  I was arrested and questioned by the police.  To make a long story short, they found out everything.  I am now facing prison and my lover's parents are suing me.  They told me that they are considering bring criminal charges against you and your website.  Also my lover's parents and some other parents of children who have been molested are planning to sue you and your website for helping to get their kids molested.  Is there anything you can do to help me.  

I am not normally a skeptic but this posting reads like a really bad TV telemovie on a third class cable network.

CONGRATULATIONS George.  It's your first testimonial.  
I know you and your little band of supporters are very proud.

'I need your help.  I am a convicted sex offender and yes, according to the stupid standards put in place by society, I am guilty.  My lover is only 10 years only but she is very mature and knows her own mind.  The fact that I am 42 should have nothing to do with it.  As a part of my probation I am required to take polygraph test.  When I first started probation I was too afraid to do any thing with my lover because I knew I had to take a polygraph test and fear they would find out.  Then I found your website.  It sounded great.  I would have no problems with the polygraph test.  So I resumed my affair with my lover.  When my polygraph test came up I had a big problem.  When I got to the polygraph office the guy there had a copy of your book sitting on the table.  He asked me if I had read this book and I lied and told him that I had not.  On the test he asked me questions about having sex with children.  I tried to do the things that your book recommended but I guess they did not work.  After the test the guy told me that I had lied about having sex with children and that I had been trying to fake him out.  Then my lover told her parents we were seeing each other again.  I was arrested and questioned by the police.  To make a long story short, they found out everything.  I am now facing prison and my lover's parents are suing me.  They told me that they are considering bring criminal charges against you and your website.  Also my lover's parents and some other parents of children who have been molested are planning to sue you and your website for helping to get their kids molested.  Is there anything you can do to help me. "

Fair Chance,

RETAO's posting is a fairly transparent fabrication. If it were true, and RETAO had indeed been "arrested and questioned by the police" and they "found out everything," then RETAO would still be in custody and not posting such drivel here.

It is disappointing to see polygraph supporters stooping to such disinformation tactics and attempting to silence this website through threatened legal action (a recurring theme from one or more anonymous polygraph proponents).

Sigh. Just when you think a polygrapher couldn't stoop any lower, they surprise you yet again.


RETAO wrote on Jun 6^th, 2003 at 7:40pm:

I need your help.  I am a convicted sex offender and yes, according to the stupid standards put in place by society, I am guilty.  My lover is only 10 years only but she is very mature and knows her own mind.  The fact that I am 42 should have nothing to do with it.  As a part of my probation I am required to take polygraph test.  When I first started probation I was too afraid to do any thing with my lover because I knew I had to take a polygraph test and fear they would find out.  Then I found your website.  It sounded great.  I would have no problems with the polygraph test.  So I resumed my affair with my lover.  When my polygraph test came up I had a big problem.  When I got to the polygraph office the guy there had a copy of your book sitting on the table.  He asked me if I had read this book and I lied and told him that I had not.  On the test he asked me questions about having sex with children.  I tried to do the things that your book recommended but I guess they did not work.  After the test the guy told me that I had lied about having sex with children and that I had been trying to fake him out.  Then my lover told her parents we were seeing each other again.  I was arrested and questioned by the police.  To make a long story short, they found out everything.  I am now facing prison and my lover's parents are suing me.  They told me that they are considering bring criminal charges against you and your website.  Also my lover's parents and some other parents of children who have been molested are planning to sue you and your website for helping to get their kids molested.  Is there anything you can do to help me.

???...What a pitiful attempt...I would have thought the poly-geeks could at least be a little more creative.

Oh well

wrote on Jun 6^th, 2003 at 9:05pm:

CONGRATULATIONS George.  It's your first testimonial.   I know you and your little band of supporters are very proud. 'I need your help.  I am a convicted sex offender and yes, according to the stupid standards put in place by society, I am guilty.  My lover is only 10 years only but she is very mature and knows her own mind.  The fact that I am 42 should have nothing to do with it.  As a part of my probation I am required to take polygraph test.  When I first started probation I was too afraid to do any thing with my lover because I knew I had to take a polygraph test and fear they would find out.  Then I found your website.  It sounded great.  I would have no problems with the polygraph test.  So I resumed my affair with my lover.  When my polygraph test came up I had a big problem.  When I got to the polygraph office the guy there had a copy of your book sitting on the table.  He asked me if I had read this book and I lied and told him that I had not.  On the test he asked me questions about having sex with children.  I tried to do the things that your book recommended but I guess they did not work.  After the test the guy told me that I had lied about having sex with children and that I had been trying to fake him out.  Then my lover told her parents we were seeing each other again.  I was arrested and questioned by the police.  To make a long story short, they found out everything.  I am now facing prison and my lover's parents are suing me.  They told me that they are considering bring criminal charges against you and your website.  Also my lover's parents and some other parents of children who have been molested are planning to sue you and your website for helping to get their kids molested.  Is there anything you can do to help me. "

George Maschke Replies


Quote:

RETAO's posting is a fairly transparent fabrication. If it were true, and RETAO had indeed been "arrested and questioned by the police" and they "found out everything," then RETAO would still be in custody and not posting such drivel here             It is disappointing to see polygraph supporters stooping to such disinformation tactics and attempting to silence this website through threatened legal action (a recurring theme from one or more anonymous polygraph proponents).

Mr. Fed-up Fed,

You need to re-train on your investigative techniques.


Fred F. ;)

wrote on Jun 6^th, 2003 at 8:02pm:

I am not normally a skeptic but this posting reads like a really bad TV telemovie on a third class cable network.

I am.  I'd bet good money it's baloney.

Ironic.  You'd think such "experts in human behavior" would be able to construct a convincing fabrication.

Skeptic

???Really. A 42 year-old has sex with a 10 year-old and gets put on probation ??? Not in this country. Such an act is a life felony in 75% of the states.
What a joke.

RETAO wrote on Jun 6^th, 2003 at 7:40pm:

Then my lover told her parents we were seeing each other again.  I was arrested and questioned by the police.  To make a long story short, they found out everything.

RETAO,

Flaws in your storyboard:

1:  Polygraph has nothing to do with anything.  The polygraph is inadmissable in court.  Fact, a living human being held admissable testimony against you.  Once again, fact of admissable evidence over polygraph voodoo.

2: You were "arrested" because of testimony, not polygraph evidence.

3:  I doubt that you would make bail if "they found out about everything".

This story and its resulting publicity would be the best thing that ever happened to antipolygraph.org.  The court   trial would be so juicy that many national affiliate broadcast systems would be outbidding it even more than the O.J. Simpson case.  I could see all of the expert "pro-polygraph" and "anti-polygraph" advisors being paid astronomical amounts of money for their analysis.  The members of the NAS and APA would become instant media  darlings.  This would bring the end of polygraph usage ten times more quickly than anything this site could do.

Bring on the lawsuit, I can't wait to see the four ring circus.  

I would leave regards if there was anything credible to leave regards to.

RETAO

Sex with a 10 year old?? Then your wienie must be the size of Fed-up Fed's brain which wouldn't fill a themble. Your post is a crock. If it were fact, you wouldn't be worth the powder it would take to blow you to hell. However, the DA and police (who let you out of jail) would be. Care to let us know who they are?

Fed-up Fed

Your federal employment must be in the congressional realm. Your lack of intelligence fits that body. If you are in federal LE, then Lord help us all. What a waste of our taxes in either case!!

Would I be considered anti-polygraph if I agreed that RETAO's post is BS?

I'll take that chance.  It's bogus, but why is it assumed that a pro-poly person wrote it?  

Batman

Kudos to the Bat-dude for being honest. However, I still have to say it is probably a "reasonable" assumption the post came from a pro-poly individual. Why would anyone else go to the trouble?  ???

PK

Batman wrote on Jun 8^th, 2003 at 11:41am:

Would I be considered anti-polygraph if I agreed that RETAO's post is BS? I'll take that chance.  It's bogus, but why is it assumed that a pro-poly person wrote it?   Batman

No Batman, you have consistantly stated belief in the use of the polygraph and I believe that no reasonable reader would assume otherwise.

RETAO  "lost his fear" of the polygraph due to information that he obtained from this board.  This is consistant with many antipolygraph proponents after they found out about "stim" test.  Without fear, the utility of the polygraph diminishes.  

The rest of his statement almost reads that everything advised about or associated with this website "failed". This has been a reoccuring theme of many polygraph proponents (including the threat of lawsuits and the accountability of those who post advice here to be "unpatriotic" and "a danger to law and order").

If I could find anything factual about this story on some news website or local newpaper, I would have to give some credence to the story.  It is just too sensational to quelch and word of mouth would blow the lid off of any attempt to silence the story.  It is the perfect case study for "MEAGAN's LAW" for sex offenders to be registered.

The negative connotation of information posted by RETAO which he attributed to obtaining from this website is quite similar to presentations in the past from other posters who disagreed with the dissemination of countermeasures.

I would infer from the similarities of presentation that this was created by a "polygraph proponent".  My apologies to reasonable polygraph proponents who would not waste their time fabricating such a posting.

Batman

I don't consider you anti-poly. I consider your post telling it like it is. Right-on, Bud.

As to your last question - Use you investigative skills, analyze RETAO's writing, compare it to another poster's writing and I'll bet you  can guess who RETAO is.

Come on twobits, enlighten us.  Who do you think is responsible for this "vast right wing conspiracy"?

wrote on Jun 8^th, 2003 at 7:36pm:

Come on twobits, enlighten us.  Who do you think is responsible for this "vast right wing conspiracy"?

Amused,
There's a challenge awaiting your attention in the "complaint against polygrapher" thread.

Skeptic

2-Block,

My first guess would be Beech Trees.  

Batman

Batman wrote on Jun 9^th, 2003 at 8:01pm:

2-Block, My first guess would be Beech Trees.   Batman

Shouldn't you be out draining a pond Batman?

I have to admit george, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but I agree with you. It does sound ridiculous and hard to believe.
But what if it's not. Could it be legit?  Maybe.
Are you willing to take chance?

Anything to advance YOUR cause.  Huh georgie

RETAO what a lier, boy I thought I had seen some real big fish stories in my life.  Heheh, I guess I was wrong.

I was arrested falsely for child molestation on my wife, Yes I said my wife!  All charges where dropped and the detective was fired.

OK, to the point.

Number one, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation you do no leave your house with out getting aproveal from your probation officer.  

Number two, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation and you are seen within the same area as a child you go right back to jail to finish of your time.

Number three, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation you are not allowed internet or any other media that may contain pornigraphic sights.  So how did you post this trash.

Last,  there is a few other points I can cover but I have said plenty.  Learn the law before you lie.  Because of ace holes like you getting people shook-up my witch hunts start and honest people go to jail.

Because of people like you I am being forced by Georgia to take a sexaul history polygraph even thow I have never be convicted of a crime and never arrested before the false arrest.  The people doing the test already thank I am a molester so passing it is hard.  

So, for you go to hell!!!!!

Mr. Patterson,

On what legal basis are you being forced by the state of Georgia to submit to a sexual history polygraph interrogation?

George

Obviously F. Patterson is blowing smoke up your skirt or he/she has left out some very important information.  Like maybe his/her conviction on child molestation charges!  Most likely just a bunch of BS. ;)

Mr. Patterson

Like George, I too, would like to know the Georgia statue that allows punishment without a conviction. If the charges were dropped, you have no legal responsibility to the state.

My question is; what is the legal age for wedlock without consent in Georgia? Was your girlfriend under the legal age and you eloped and got married? Even then, if the charges were dropped and there was not a conviction, I believe you owe the state nothing. Something ain't right here.

F. Patterson et al,

Quote:

Number one, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation you do no leave your house with out getting aproveal from your probation officer.

Not so. Sex offenders, like anybody else on probation in Georgia, go to work. And they don't call their PO every morning to ask if they can. Most sex offenders do have curfews, and some have home confinement conditions that do require that they ask for permission to leave the house at any time other than what has been pre-arranged for work, etc.

Quote:

Number two, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation and you are seen within the same area as a child you go right back to jail to finish of your time.

Wrong again. You can't go to the grocery store without the possibility arising of being within the same area of a child. What the probation conditions prohibit is actually talking to the child, or being in an area that is specifically for children, like a playground.

Quote:

Number three, if your a convicted sex offender and on probation you are not allowed internet or any other media that may contain pornigraphic sights.  So how did you post this trash.

This used to be true, until two different Federal Appeals Courts ruled it unconstitutional last year. A probationer can no longer be denied Internet access, but he/she can be restricted regarding what sites are accessed as long as the restriction is relevant to the offense they are on probation for. Georgia does have an "un-written" rule, where a PO will tell the probationer they can't get online and if they do, the probationer is violated for "failure to obey all instructions". As far as I know nobody has contested this yet on the grounds that the "instruction" must itself be lawful before a violation can occur.

Quote:

I was arrested falsely for child molestation on my wife

Georgia law allows for marriages to occur at ages under 16 only in the event of pregnancy or childbirth. You must have gotten her pregnant, subsequently managed to get a judge and her parents to allow you to marry her, and then got arrested for the molestation charge, all before she became 16. Because once she became 16, she would be of the age of consent, and you couldn't have been arrested for molestation.

Quote:

...I am being forced by Georgia to take a sexaul history polygraph...

No dice. Georgia law only requires these of probationers convicted of sexual offenses, not citizens who were merely accused of a crime and subsequently vindicated.

Mr. Patterson, your fish story is pretty high on the list. I might put you right under RETAO, in 2nd place.

OK,

Here it is. my children are in DFCS foster care system.  This happened when I was in jail.

Now the state is being sued by many families, just like me.  The Governor can stop a person from being put to death, but if your children are wrongfully to by DFCS he can not step in and help.  

In my records at DFCS says I was arrested for child molestation.  The point is I was part of a witch hunt.  I got in a personal fight for one of my sons that was taken when I was in Bosnia with the 2/121 (M) INF. out of Georgia.  When I got back they tryed to force me to give up my rights.  I love my son very much so I fought; the prouble was DFCS is to powerful and corrupted in Goergia.  If you do not believe my just do some web surfing.

Now to my polygraph test,  I am now in Alaska serving with Task Force Alaskan Road.  I am in the Army National Guard.  When I get back i must take the polygraph or loose all rights to my children in DFCS foster care.  My wife and I have 3 kids.  They can and have ordered me to take the polygraph.  DFCS from what my attorney has said, does have the power to for me to test.

Now, I am not a lier and am willing to show you I am on the line.  The only reason I wrote in the first place because I have been through hell do to DFCS and liers like the freak that started this thred.  I am a soldier and a good father.  I have no reason to make this up.  

To prove it, SGT F.  Patterson is my real name,  I am serving Annette Island, AK.  You can also look this up on the internet,  after finding it ask for SGT. Patterson-you will see I am here and very liked soldier.  My command knows what is going on with my children.  They are trying to help me and fell the polygraph is against my rights; but they just like the Governor of Georgia can not help.  

I came to this sight for help; I do not wish to loose my children to a evil State Ran Agency.  I am going to take the test,  I have to in order to get my kids back.

Well?  

Oops, almost forgot:

orolan, Did you say fish story;

My wife was 20 when I was arrested.  The detective was given false information from DFCS.  My wife and I got married when she was over 18.

Next, you are right,  convicted sex offender and on probation can have a job.  In a none family area.  I was in jail with a 20 year old male convicted sex offender and on probation, his probation officer let him go to K-mart to get work close.  When in K-mart he was seen near the in the toy department by a officer.  Guess where he is now, finishing off his last ten years of probation in Lowndes County Jail.

If you don't believe they can make a person that was only accused of the crime to take the polygraph test.  call and ask.  229-333-5200.  That is the DFCS telephone number.  Better then that.  When I get my case plan I will post it.  

To finish,  I am fight DFCS,  they make law from what I have learned.  Just look it up for your self.  They are being sued by many people.

To me you seem to be on of the people that feel we live in a fair and just world.  I thouhgt that before returning from Bosnia.

Sorry,

I have been fighting for my children for 2 years.  I get made easy do to many judge before they under stand.

orolan,  If I seem upset I was.  You placed what you believe.  Put on glass of truth.  It is not fair out there.

I have given you my name, with that you can look up I have never been arrested till my arrest in Lowndes County Georgia.  I am not a convicted sex offender nor have I ever been placed on a list as one.  I was in a personal fight with a DFCS worker, and she was to powerful.

Again sorry and God Bless..

F.,
OK. I believe you. My apologies to you and your family. I am well aware of the tactics of DFCS, Lowndes County law enforcement and the Valdosta probation office.
Just so you know I'm for real on that, I'll tell you that the jail is out on the Madison Highway, just outside the southwest end of town. The probation office is still downtown on Hill Avenue, in the block just east of Ashley Street. I lived in Lowndes County for 13 years up in Hahira and went to Lowndes High, and my mother, brother, ex-wife and one of my daughters still live there.
I have never heard of DFCS telling someone to take a polygraph, but that certainly doesn't mean it isn't so. What a mess. I wish you the best of luck.

Sgt. Patterson

Taking every thing you write as factual, I believe you have two avenues in which to fight this (using the term "sometimes the best defense is a good offense").

1. Filing a malicious prosecution law suit against the state. Not knowing Georgia laws, I don't believe there is a statue of limitation for this filing. You have to file in the county that arrested you but then, file a "Change of Venue" motion to get it out of that county. Keep in mind that state courts are somewhat political.

2. You have an excellant harrasment lawsuit in federal court. Forget about state court on this one because they will shoot you down and you will have to go the appeal route to get it in federal court.

Being in the military, I believe you could get a JAG lawyer to help you with this if you wanted file pro se (do it yourself). After you file these actions you probably will have a better chance of picking up a contingency lawyer.

Bud, use JAG. They are there to help as well as to prosecute malitary personel. Our tax money pays their salary too.