George W. Maschke wrote on Sep 9^th, 2017 at 9:40am:


Thank you, George!

Andy,

This recent article on the Scientific American website and the Netflix series "The Confession Tapes" that it references may be useful for your research:

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/what-netflixs-the-confession-t...

Andy Balmer wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:16pm:


And a fascinating story.  Good to hear from you Andy.

In the haste to catch the next Edward Snowden, the Obama administration created an “Insider Threat Task Force” to find and stop the next leakers – at all cost.  Have you ever not been able to succeed at a job?  What do you do when you can’t find any Edward Snowdens?  I imagine it must get frustrating.  

Well, the honorable James R. Clapper and his sycophants ordered everyone under his “command” to undergo polygraphs.  As of yet, this abusive program hasn’t done anything to catch an insider threat, but the policy of condemning someone based solely on those “results” has ruined the lives of countless innocent people.

I was polygraphed five times in three years with results alternating between “No Opinion”, and “Significant Response”.  After reading about ontological uncertainty and applying it to my anxiety disorder, it’s rather obvious that my performance under the threat of losing my career, would generate an extremely biased “Significant Response”.  Ultimately, they took my clearances, called me a “vulnerability” and involuntarily reassigned me to a position 1,000 miles away. 

By using the “results” of the polygraph as the sole basis for punishing me, the Agency has committed defamation of my character and violated my civil rights for not affording me due process.

Here’s where the story gets interesting – The Department of Defense has approved and extremely relevant regulations that specifically prohibit taking unfavorable administrative actions against someone based solely on the results of the polygraph.  Yet they still do it.  No one in charge is capable, or willing to stop them.

Furthermore, there is a concerted effort to hide their abuse, as senior officials from the DIA Office of Security are falsifying records and flat out lying to federal officials and judges.  I now possess the indisputable material evidence.

It is not hyperbole to say that at DIA, the Insider Threat Program and the Credibility Assessments Program operate like a modern day Gestapo, Stassi, or KGB.  There are 13 indicators of a potential insider threat, and all employees are encouraged to be vigilant and report anything suspicious about their co-workers.

The worst part? The polygraph test is not one of those indicators.

By the way, it is rumored that Edward Snowden “passed” his polygraph.

Andy Balmer wrote on Sep 5^th, 2017 at 2:08pm:


How extensive is the use of the polygraph by the British security agencies for vetting purposes?  Was their use thereof something imposed by the US?   

John M. wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 9:57pm:


Sounds like an important study!

Ex Member wrote on Aug 29^th, 2017 at 7:33pm:


- Hey,

I didn't perform any experiments in my PhD. It was more a case of reading the scientific literature to understand how they conduct experiments on reliability and validity and to see if these were philosophically and sociologically sound. They are not, in the most part, for there is still too little evidence for any consistent connection between intention to lie and bodily responses. To my mind, you have to sort validity before you worry about reliability, but most polygraph science emphasises reliability.

John M. wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:


Hey - I do cover these kinds of things as regards false confessions and miscarriages of justice. But I don't look at security agency or government repeat tests in much detail as these are - at least partially - covered in Ken Alder's work. 

Andy

pailryder wrote on Aug 26^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:


You certainly can! Quite literally in 'Ontological Uncertainty' and 'Polygraph Interrogation' chapters. 

Administrator wrote on Sep 4^th, 2017 at 8:35am:


Agreed, and my apologies for my occasional excesses in this regard.  I would like to remind the Administrator, however, that this site is the only refuge for polygraph victims who have suffered incredibly due to this polygraph hoax.  Polygraph victims, mostly American patriots who have sacrificed only to be betrayed by their government, have suffered suicide, depression, divorce, bankruptcy, etc, etc, solely due to this polygraph fraud.   To be further berated and insulted by the pro-polygraph crowd is often very hard to take.  I do take solace, however, knowing that the pro-polygraph crowd must know they are involved in a massive fraud and have some concern for the possible consequences.  Why else would they continue to follow this site?  

I realize that the administrator values the opinions of everyone who contributes to this site and this site belongs to the administrator.  I appreciate that I am able to post as a guest and do not take this privilege for granted.  I must admit, however, that I would love to see increasing postings from polygraph victims with details of abuse.  

I believe the end of polygraph abuse will only arrive when the number of victims and negative financial impact of polygraph abuse approaches the number of profiteers and profit derived from this fraud.  Those who have studied government should be familiar with the terms iron triangles and issue networks.  Our pluralist society is at its best when powerful lobbies exist on both sides of every issue to protect minority interests.  In this American tragedy the only powerful lobby is the pro-polygraph lobby.  Antipolygraph.org is the only voice that I am aware of that fights for the victims of the polygraph.  This site and it's allies needs to grow into a lobby capable of taking on the behemoth polygraph lobby.  We will never end this fraud but hopefully can improve the horrible suffering of the polygraph victims.   

All are reminded of AntiPolygraph.org's posting policy:

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Name-calling and personal insults are inappropriate and do nothing to advance understanding. It's fine to attack arguments (with facts and reason), but not the character of the person making the argument.

Further posts to this message thread should address the original poster's inquiry.

Ex Members can't handle the truth.

Well said John M.  Keep fighting the good fight.

Might I remind you - 

AntiPolygraph.org seeks the complete abolishment of polygraph "testing" from the American workplace. Now that the National Academy of Sciences has conducted an exhaustive study and found polygraph screening to be invalid, and even dangerous to national security, Congress should extend the protections of the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act to all Americans.

You think this site has gone downhill?  Ha! I'd say it's about to become a relic.  There will be no need for it once we put an end to government sponsored use of the "truth machine".

Thousands and thousands of innocent people like myself have been unfairly judged by the polygraph and it's way past time for it to stop.   

If you can't see that, get the fuck out and take palyrider, quickfix and all the the other abusers with you.

I won't rest until congress passes the COMPREHENSIVE EMPLOYEE POLYGRAPH PROTECTION ACT.

For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.  Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm.  Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness.  Ephesians 6:12-1

Ex Member wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 11:40pm:


Thank you ... good-bye.  My comments and tone haven't changed since I joined.  The polygraph represents one of the worst abuses of U.S. Government authority in our nation's history and I am passionate that it must come to an end.  So anyone who argues with you must have mental health issues.  Talk about a victim.   

I think the issues the government has with you and John M have more to do with mental health than polygraphs.

Doug, I have had many kinds of job tragedies. I picked up and moved on. I did not recoil into some vicious victim posture attacking those whose viewpoints are diverse from my own.

I admire your staying power and wish you all the best in your crusade.

This forum has gone down hill since Doc's tragic accident. It is now the domain of a few with acute personality disorders. 

So I will say goodbye to you all.

Ex Member wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:26am:


You are a piece of work.  I merely wished you a taste of your own medicine.   If you can twist my words into a threat you should be a polygraph examiner yourself.  Funny how you never complained about posting policy when Quickfix wished that Doug Williams suffer sodomy in prison.  Again, you are self-righteous, self serving individual.  Maybe the POS was a bit ad hominem, but I have no doubt it fits you to a tee.

Ex Member wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:26am:


Arkhangelsk – I think if you were in John M’s place and you had to take a polygraph test in order to get or keep a job you would have a much different attitude towards polygraph testing.  And if, like John M, you took that polygraph test and told the complete truth but you were called a liar and were fired from your job, your passion would be on par with his.

Ex Member wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2017 at 4:26am:

Being asked to take a polygraph and having unfavorable actions/decisions taken against you based solely on the "results" of the polygraph is most certainly a sin against mankind. As God is my witness.

Wishing bad things on someone is also very different than a threat.

Sorry, but I don't think being asked to take a polygraph to obtain a job is some kind of sin against mankind. I am not a proponent, but I do not share your passion. Also, your ad hominem threats and insults are in violation of AP posting policy.

Ex Member wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 4:56am:


Ark -  Quickfix is a clown who amuses me.  You, however, really make me angry.  If the world were only filled with people like you, we would still have slavery and the Berlin Wall.   Your self-righteous fence riding is despicable.  It's millions of jack-asses like you who unfortunately live here and enjoy US Citizenship you don't deserve that enables these polygraph clowns to thrive.  The anti-government East Germans that brought down that evil regime called people like you anpasser (those who go along with the system for self-gain) 

There is a more efficient method of credibility assessment -  a good, old-fashioned background investigation.  It's worked for thousands of years.  

Here's another revelation ...... no matter what we do, we will always have traitors.  We have more traitors now than we did before the polygraph.  It's because our society is going down as our population soars with ignoramuses like you .  The polygraph hasn't caught one spy but has falsely condemned and ruined countless innocent people.  

When you say individuals are expendable, I don't know if you are serious or just being glib, but that concept is totally against everything our Constitution stands for and our founding fathers believed.  No country in history has ever held the value and rights of the individual more sacred than the United States.  

I pray to God and hope with all my heart that either you or someone very dear to you has your entire life ripped to pieces and ruined by this God damned polygraph, you self-righteous, self-serving POS.   

skingalvanics wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 8:12pm:


Skingalvanics – You make a great point here about the con men like Quickfix and his fellow polygraph operators.  They present a major threat to our national security.   With their fraudulent claims concerning the accuracy and validity of the polygraph as a lie detector, these treasonous charlatans have convinced those in positions of power in our government to trust them and their polygraph as the best option for security screening and internal investigations.  The trust placed in them and their insidious Orwellian instrument of torture is sadly misplaced.  The polygraph cartel has never caught even one spy – though many spies have passed the test easily while actively working for foreign governments and/or leaking classified information.  And to add insult to injury, they have called hundreds of thousands of truthful people liars and ruined their lives.  Most, if not all of these thugs involved in this multi-billion scam know they are perpetrating a massive fraud, but they don’t give a damn as long as they can line their pockets with ill gotten gain.

Ex Member wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 4:27pm:



Very obviously she does indeed.

Quickfix, on the other hand, more closely resembles Anatolii Golitsyn or James J. Angleton.  Those two men, one a KGB defector and the other the CIA Deputy Director of "Plans" respectively, caused severe harm to the CIA due to their incessant and paranoid obsession with the presence of "Soviet moles" inside Langley.

Aunty is not only intelligent, she has a good heart.

Aunty Agony wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2017 at 5:11am:

Don't you worry about me.  I have the same freedom to post whenever I like and will continue to do so.  You are here for my amusement, so continue to entertain me.

Doug Williams wrote on Sep 1^st, 2017 at 9:39pm:

Aunty cannot help feeling that all this piling on seems a little unfair, as quickfix may not be in a position to defend himself. He probably doesn't want to risk posting here until he reads up on the case law surrounding adverse actions taken against federal employees for promulgating government policies in excess of their authority to do so. 

Get your own lawyer, quickfix. At this point you cannot rely on advice from your bureau's general counsel; he's there to protect the government's interests, not yours.