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Posted by: Administrator
Posted on: Oct 21st, 2008 at 2:27am
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Posted by: LieGuyToo
Posted on: Jun 11th, 2008 at 8:11pm
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i have some questions for you, if you are willing to respond...

What specific CMs did you use?
Was there a particular examiner/agency that you used that had any idea you were using CMs?

Thanks for your response!

Posted by: Joe McCarthy
Posted on: Jun 9th, 2008 at 11:22pm
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"Of all the people I used I found Wood's to be the most arrogant and abusive, so avoid them if you can.  Not because they are "too good to beat".  They aren't.  Because, I thought they were just pricks in general. "

Not the first person I have heard that from.  I'll leave it alone from there. Not because I want to, but because I have to.

Posted by: billybobby
Posted on: Jun 9th, 2008 at 11:03pm
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When I failed TWO POLYGRAPHS in a row and was telling the truth, a few years into probation then I read the guide here and started using counter-measures.  I used them on every test for 4 years with multiple Tarrant County polygraphers.  You can always change polygraphers if you don't think you can pass with who you use at first.  So, whether you pass or fail, if you aren't confortable (relatively speaking of course) then try a different guy.  Of all the people I used I found Wood's to be the most arrogant and abusive, so avoid them if you can.  Not because they are "too good to beat".  They aren't.  Because, I thought they were just pricks in general. 

I see lots of posts toward people on probation saying, "What are you doing lying?" or "Why do you plan on lying?"

I failed 2 polygraphs telling the truth, being upfront, believing everything the polygrapher said, etc.

My advice is - if you're going to read the stuff on here then you're walking down a path of using countermeasures.  Once you learn what BS a polygraph is then you'll need to use CM to pass it even when you're telling the truth.

That's why they need to stop using them.  The consequences of failing are very serious and expensive.  And there's no guarantee that telling the truth 100% will have you pass.

I separate Polygraphs from Treatment.  If you're in Sex Offender treatment then trying to B.S. your way through will do two things:

1. You won't get the help you need (yes, you need it); you'll re-offend (in some interesting variation that's different from your original offense but still going to get you put in prison).  And, whether you lied or were honest on the polygraph won't matter.  They don't give polys in Huntsville Prison - which is where you're headed if you don't let treatment work on you.

2.  It makes treatment SO MUCH HARDER when you try to B.S. your way through it.  It's hard enough.  You don't need 15 guys ragging your ass every week because they can tell you're lying.  You can beat a lie detector, but you can't beat a room full of other sex offenders.  When I was in treatment it was like a game of "Whack-A-Mole".  It's sooo easy to spot people's BS.

So, be honest in treatment.  Follow the conditions of your probation, because your PO officers and others are watching.  It'll work out if you decide to let the process work.  Polygraphs are BS and failing one creates a serious problem.  If you're here then you're already moving down a path of CM's, but do what you need to do.  The guides here work, if you want to use them.  I used them for years.