Hello

In some states they have discontinued polygraph examiner licensing due to the cost in managing the licensing. 

Some of the bigger states being

Georgia 

Florida 

Both states have a large APA membership base.  They have seminars for ongoing training and other topics.

APA Chapters also have designated training and certification for Sex Offender Testing. 

At the end of the day if he or she is conducting a large number of tests per year why even have the follow up certification.  It is basically a revenue generator for the local APA chapters. 

CA, NY, DC Metro/Northern VA have large state APA memberships and polygraph licensing in those areas.  Due to the politics in these three states will keep licensing alive for many years to come.   

One possible way is to nationalize polygraph examiner certification.  APA could provide a Certified National Polygraph Examiner designation.   

As large as the APA is they could implement and manage a program like this, and working through the local APA Chapters for the purpose of quality control and assurance.   

Just a thought.

Thank you for the reply and the suggestions / opinion. This case has not yet been filed, so therefore, no cause number. I sent out a demand letter to all of the actors on my list, and included a copy to the governor of Wisconsin, because it was his CPS agency who failed my children. I am now waiting for responses, or the lack of them, from my demand for insurance information. I'm obviously not an attorney, but in order to preserve the statute of limitations on civil claims, a demand had to be sent. It will absolutely be ignored, because the pompass-assses who did all of this believed I would had been charged and convicted, and relied on all of that scenario just as the FBI believed Hillary was going to win.

I'll give all of this to the national media for publication if no one takes this seriously. I'm certainly not going to worry about exposing myself. If I have to go down in history as the most horrible human being on the planet for my daughter's sake, then sobeit. One way or the other, someone is going to be held accountable for what has happened to my daughter.

Wow, um, ok.  A lot to go over here.  

Having said that, I'm here for another reason.

Polygraph consumers have bigger problems to worry about other than the regular cast of characters that is normally discussed here.

There is a very good chance that after this year, polygraph examiners will not have to be licensed anymore and will have zero accountability.  No more standards and no more oversight.  The law is being sunset.  

I'll set up a different string for that though.

Anyway

I see a lot of talk on here about suing examiners, CSCD's, SOTP's, and blah blah blah.

I'm still kinda looking some of this stuff over and trying to make sense of it.  It seems disjointed and confusing.  I am not poking fun at you, because at first that is how some of my stuffed looked.  Anger can be a hinderance to clear communication.  No one knows that better than me.  

I see no cause number.  Is this a case that is currently in the system?  Do you have an Original Petition and Exhibits?

All this is kinda important information.

Also know this, any advice I can offer you, you may not like.  But, it will be the truth.  

I speak from experience when I tell you, this is going to be a long and ugly road.  It will be costly, financially and emotionally.  

If you are going to step up, you better do it proper.  I assure you, there will be many spectators, but you will stand alone.  

Update - April 2021 - ****S's daughter, the subject of the unfounded and coached allegations, is now telling her story to her local police department on how her mother trafficked her for prostitution at the age of 14, and how the scheme as I detailed in my previous post was acted upon by all of the people listed there. ****S's ex wife used the allegations against him as a cover for her trafficking. The FBI is also investigating this, and if found guilty, she's looking at a minimum sentencing guideline of 10 years. 

Any help with good attorney information?

Michael Strain - SOTP - Fort Worth Texas
Tarrant County CSCD
Waxahachie Texas Police Dept
Richard Woods and Assoc - Arlington Texas
Joy Heather Hallum - Former CSO TC-CSCD
"Toni" Laitsch - Atty - Madison Wisconsin
State of Wisconsin DCFS - Dane County, Madison

****S is coming for each and every one you. You will answer for the wrongs you've committed against ****S's children. ****S will not stop until each of you are either out of business, your insurance has provided for his children, or you are disciplined by the appropriate agency governing your licenses, but you will be held accountable for all of the harm you've caused.

My specific experience with this was that Texas government code make all requirements on parole be clearly provided at the time of signing your "contract of release"

They then do not even give you the option, instead just scheduling it.
They may argue that they are "better" or something. 

But I recently recorded a whole interaction where I specifically read things off on the documents and had her verify them out loud. 
Then, they changed the paperwork later.
The license board  are currently investigating the issue. 

It was against Ruiz in Ft Worth
There is a difference I believe in denying you the choice of a person shown to be corrupt, or having suits against them. 
And promoting without the option of any other a person shown to be corrupt.

Case Synopsis

Actor: ****** S. Served a period of 7 years CS. 21.11 (a)(1)

Investigator – Waxahachie Police - Investigator of original case as noted above. Co-conspirator to secure failed polygraph, the subject of this complaint.

Robert “Bobby” Jones – Polygrapher for Woods and Associates, Arlington Texas – Co-conspirator to secure failed polygraph, the subject of this complaint.

Joy Heather Hallum – Tarrant County CSCD (TC-CSCD) (no longer employed in this capacity) Co-conspirator to secure failed polygraph, the subject of this complaint.

****** S. had been under the supervision of the TC-CSCD for 5 previous years, after having transferred supervision to Tarrant County.

****** S. had secured, as a mandatory requirement of conditions of Community Supervision (CS), the services of Michael Chimarys, a Tarrant County approved provider of polygraph services for the TC-CSCD.

Upon initial transfer to Tarrant County, ****** S. went to Woods and Associates for his initial polygraph assessment, and was uncomfortable with the demeanor of Robert Jones at that moment. ****** S. sought the services of Michael Chimarys afterwards, and remained with Mr. Chimarys until his expiration of CS in the fall of 2008.

In October 2006, ****** S’s oldest daughter, was interviewed by a CPS Social Worker, after the allegation was made of sexual abuse by ****** S. Keep in mind, that after ****** S’s  arrest for the offense of 21.11 (a) (1), both of ****** S’s daughters were interviewed and it was learned that neither child had been previously assaulted or abused.

****** S. was ordered by his then SOTP, Michael Strain, as a condition of continued treatment, to submit to a polygraph, one that was directed by the investigator, a police officer in official capacity, against the protections of the 5th Amendment of the Constitution, and it was clear that a “Deceptive” result was sought.

Upon learning that ****** S. was ordered to submit to the polygraph examination, he made an appointment with Michael Chimarys, as this is the polygrapher that ****** S. had been using for the 5 previous years, without incident, or question, as to the legitimacy of the results returned to the SOTP or the CSCD.

The investigator demanded that ****** S. be examined by Robert "Bobby" Jones of Woods and Associates, to secure a “Deceptive” result, so that ****** S’s ex- wife could then secure an order of protection from the court, as she was seeking to terminate the parent-child relationship, but didn’t realize that she had abandoned the case when she moved from Texas.

****** S. arrived at Woods and Associates on the day of the appointment, accompanied by ****** S.'s best friend. Upon entering the business, Robert Jones met ****** S. in the waiting room, and immediately asked, without any form of greeting or any salutations at all, “Do you have anyone from Waxahachie PD here with you?”. 

This statement was to instill fear in ****** S., to ensure that no matter how truthful he was, the result would show deception, because ****** S. believed that he would be taken into custody immediately following the examination, because of the deceptive result.

******’s ex-wife, used that result of the failed polygraph to secure the protective order that was provided to her when she sought the services of the civil court, because she learned that all of the attached orders from the case would, because of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, become void as a result of her abandoning the case in Texas. ****** S's ex-wife had moved from the jurisdiction of the original court.

The police investigator, Joy Heather Hallum, and Robert Jones, all conspired to violate ****** S’s Constitutional rights, and to deprive ****** S. and his daughters of each other, for the purposes of assisting ****** S's ex-wife in her attempts to further destroy the Parent-Child relationship of ****** S. and his daughters.

****** S. and his daughters are seeking civil litigation relief from what has been inflicted upon them, as a result of the actions of the people in positions of law enforcement authority, and extensions of the court, to impose upon and violate the Constitutional Rights of all involved.

The parties are seeking a civil judgment of not less than $3,000,000.00, ($1MIL each party).

It should be noted that ****** S was never prosecuted for the offense claimed in the allegation. There were too many witnesses to state the allegations were false.

Someone please provide me with the name and phone number of the attorney that handled this case? I am search of one now to sue the City of Waxahachie, Woods and Associates of Arlington, and the Tarrant County CSCD.

Yes,thank you for that bit of info on the multiple attachments on my post(s).Hopefully,someone can and will be willing to help on my various issues.

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I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

I was once on DEFERRED ADJUDICATION PROBATION for 10 years back in FEB. 2006 up until MAY 2011 in DALLAS COUNTY and was also forced to ONLY go with whomever the 363rd DISTRICT COURT at the FRANK CROWLEY COURT BUILDING had on there list and you could NOT choose any LSOTP outside of that list which was started by DR. LILES ARNOLD.I felt like it was all setup to put me in prison and had my suspicions and fired my 1st attorney XAVIER DURAN and hired my 2nd attorney LISA A. FOX who happened to be present when the 363rd DALLAS COUNTY DISTRICT COURT PROBATION OFFICER told me if I wasn't pleased with the LSOTPs that were on their list.....to pick someone out of the telephone book.....and I did.It was DR. STEPHEN FINSTEIN from DOWNTOWN DALLAS near the EARL CABELL BUILDING.I went to him to get examined and tested and he could NOT find anything wrong with me and actually questioned the integrity of his colleagues and why they had subjected me to still be under their supervision.When the COURT PROBATION OFFICER found out.....they told me I couldn't see DR. FINSTEIN anymore and put me with LILES ARNOLD who eventually played a big part in sending me to prison.I believed that they were ALL in cahoots in sending MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE TO PRISON and am now trying to get my name cleared and hopefully exonerated by having ALL charges dropped against me because the of a detective lying on the POLICE REPORT that got me in trouble in the 1st place.Please....if I can be included in such a lawsuit feel free to contact me

What is the latest on this situation?  First Irish was suing Holden, then Holden sued Irish, next thing I read, Holden wins the suit, now there is some issue of confidentiality.  Curious process.

Once I thought I was out, they pull me back in, again.   

Get ready for a possible bombshell all, Holden has opened the door of confidentiality which may turn up being a Pandora’s Box for a lot of people.   

NUFF SAID!!!!!!!

There is already too much personal hatred and bickering going on, and it is something I am trying to put an end to.

I saw a wrong and tried to make it right and it appears that I lost.   

I thought I was out in October and then they pulled me back in.  I am not happy about it and I think it was nothing more than a cheap trick; but it is a trick that has thus far worked.   

I am going to finish this and walk away form it.  If Tarrant County wants these people that bad, they can have them.  I am going to go and make an honest living, running honest tests elsewhere.  The Texas Youth Commission thing came to a head and blew up in the States face; this will too.  When it happens, not if, but when, I will be there smiling telling everyone I told them so and watch The Texas Attorney Generals Office send in their damage control.   

From October to late January there was an uneasy peace, but there was a peace none the less.  Despite the fact that I was still being isolated and pressured out, at least I knew a few nights of good sleep.  I would like to get to that point again.

As far as the threats and the whole lieguytoo thing, it is clear the judge doesn’t care and has no intention on addressing the issue.  The focus is on giving the defendants justice at the cost of my entitlement to justice and satisfaction under the law.  It is apparent that the judge condones the actions and is therefore unconcerned.  Maybe he doesn’t care maybe it is more common place than I thought and not an issue worth addressing even in passing.   

The defamation suit is being severed and sent to another judge.  I hope we can settle it and everyone can walk away.  That depends on the defendants being reasonable.  Either way they win no matter how this comes out.  I am gone and things can go back to business as usual and the “community” can be “protected” by inconclusive results and false NDI’s.   

The past year has jaded me in a way that I had never imagined.  I now truly feel the justice system is stacked against the little man even if the little man is right; Justice is not blind; and polygraph needs another overhaul like 1988.   

In the meantime I just want to make a quiet living doing what I do best and better than others do.  There are examiners out there with integrity who want nothing more but the best for society.  I know a few personally and have spoken to many.  Sadly it seems, we are a dying breed.

Now, I don’t know how Christopher Columbus got into this debate, but the administrator is right.   

Ed Earl, Twoblock (and all),

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Ed Earl

Now you sound like you're 6 bricks short of a load. What the hell does all this Pelosi rhetoric have to do with your misapplication post about me to Fighting Irish. Yet I have to remember that misapplication is routine in your trade.

Would you do better discussing particle separation???

Tsk Tsk Tsk
OMG  YOU HAVE DISCOVERED OUR SECRET POWERFUL NETWORK!!

I guess there isn't anything left to do but admit it.   SIGH....

Twoblock,  I am part of the Anti-Anti-Polygraph, Anti Cheating on Pre-employment Test, Anti-Lying to the Police, Anti-Uninformed-Curmudgeon, Network. 

We are a small but dedicated group; fighting against those who try to convince people they are better off lying and cheating than they are telling the truth. We abhor those who continually cite statistically inconsequential anecdotes, over-generalizations and misinformation as proof of their arguments. 

Yes Twoblock, We are the "AAPACPTALPAUCN". T-shirts, Coffee mugs and Mouse pads are available for a small fee. All proceeds will be spent educating people about:
Our belief that the use of polygraph countermeasures evidences a lack of personal and professional integrity,
The potential consequences of choosing the "Liars Path", 
How to avoid using the preposition, "to", when the adverb, "too", is the appropriate word, 
Dispelling the myth that Columbus was a great explorer who discovered that the earth was round, when he was actually a genocidal liar who repeatedly got lost instead finding his intended destination. and 
Any other cause that furthers the goals of our organization.

We’re kind of like lifeguards; people still drown, but if you have a lifeguard on duty, you’ll save more than you lose.

We even have a secret handshake and high sign.

How is any of that, your concern?

Ed Earl

You need to stop applying your stupid remarks to me. That does make you look silly. I do not take a threat on one's life lightly. The post I made to Fighting Irish was telling him what i thought he was doing wrong and how I would handle a threat on my life. According to his posts i thought he had a good case but was offering to much information to the defendants here which was apparently the case. I was pulling for him to win because i hate powerful, entrenched networks. I have been exposing them for 50 years. He seems like an honest man trying to do a reputable job void of any skulduggery that is rampant in any powerful, entrenched entity. Just because he's a polygrapher doesn't mean that I'm not sincere in wishing him the best of luck. There might be one or two more polygraphers out there with his integrety.

BTW - who were you posting as then and of what powerful network are you a part?

Twoblock wrote on Mar 15^th, 2009 at 11:15pm:


Fighting Irish, remember those meaningful wishes were offered to you by the same poster who thought it was "silly" when I complained that you were being anonymously accused of an unsubstantiated crime in this forum, then he insinuates that you are a quitter, then wishes you luck and encourages you to keep posting.

I suspect the Anti-Polygraph crowd cares little for your situation other than as fodder for their AP rhetoric.  You alone need to decide what course of action will be best for you and your family in the long run. 

At the end of the day they are what is most important or should be. If you make your decision with that foremost in your mind, it doesn't really matter what you do for a living or where you do it and it isn't likely you will take the wrong road. 

At this point I think you should beware people who may just be trying to stir you up just for the entertainment value they get from your misery.

the fighting irish

I have a question: What happened to the threat on your life. That's a felony not to be negotiated.

I guess you have learned a couple of things here. 1. When you're fighting an entrenched network whether it be city, county, state or federal, you gather your evidence (covertly if necessary) and present it in court rather than an open forum like AP. 2. you should never mention a judges name likewise. I am sorry you're giving up.

Best of luck where ever you land. Keep us informed

Hunter,

Thank you so much for your kind words.  I have a few options which I am exploring and have already started to lay a foundation for the future.  There are two areas which I am primarily looking that have markets where slow but progressive growth is possible.  

One thing is for sure, I never want to relive this nightmare again.  I believed something was wrong and still do, I stand by what I did and truly believe I did the right thing given the situation I was in and the surrounding circumstances.  

We are in an industry where honesty and integrity are promoted to others while these two virtues are cast aside as trivial in certain cliques within the industry.  

Be that as it may, I feel I have devised an offer which everyone can walk away a winner in one way or another.  I feel it is a very reasonable offer and an offer that will prove my commitment to my anti monopoly principles.  It meets Mr. Holden’s demands only without the apology.  I would rather drink gasoline and piss on a brush fire before I apologize to the likes of him.  If I were wrong I would apologize, but I am not so he will get no such pleasure from me, just as I am sure I will get no such pleasure from him.  He will walk away with guaranteed money, and I walk away saving face.  I’m happy, he’s happy, other than hating each other’s guts, we will all be happy.  

This time there will be no more games in closing the deal.  If he does accept the offer, it will be closed and finalized in an expeditious manner to prevent any future “misunderstandings.”  I can not and will not trust any of their handshakes and promises again.  I am the only one who kept to the last agreement in good faith in my opinion.  Extending this beyond October of 2008 falls squarely on the shoulders of either Mr. Holden and or Mr. Webster, in my opinion.  Anyone who walks away with less than they think they deserve can gripe at one or both of them.  One of them lied, bottom line, go and pitch your fits to them.  I don’t want to hear them; my give a damn is busted, as they say in Texas.  

Hunter, once again thank you for your kind words and advice.  You have been one of the few persons who have approached me as a gentleman and some day if our paths cross, you will see I always give the same respect and courtesy three fold.  There are some who will call me a liar, but they already have knives with their names on it in my back.