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Topic Summary - Displaying 25 post(s).
Posted by: Binford
Posted on: Jun 24th, 2019 at 10:39pm
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Many SSG personnel [not all] are usually hired into what is known within the bureau as Professional Support Positions, generally GS-11 positions. SSG personnel often work directly with Special Agents. They are not issued weapons, nor do they carry a badge. They are however, given bureau cars, credit cards, bureau credentials that look nearly identical to Special Agents. Additionally, they hold TS security clearances. Support personnel attend squad meetings, and are a big part of case workload to include big arrests. They are also allowed overtime if authorized. 

There are various specialties within SSG units and its assigned personnel. For the most part, SSG support personnel are treated no different than SA's, and in some cases, respected more than some agents within SO and SSG units.

A typical day in the life of an SSG support employee is a very interesting and at times, exciting career. It all depends on what you find exciting. If you are assigned to an SSG unit, you will be treated the same as if you were a special agent. Make no mistake about it, SA’s trust, depend on, and rely heavily on their support personnel.

SSG personnel do a lot of surveillance support, photography, and generally works with special types of surveillance and counter intelligence, surveillance equipment, electronics, cameras, computer specialists, various types of analyst, video, audio, etc., etc., and the list goes on.

Do not be fooled into thinking an SSG position is not a desirable job, they are good positions that can lead to other things within the bureau. Look at it as getting a foot in the door, and remember, SSG support positions can lead to higher paying GS support positions out-side of an SSG/SO unit.

Good luck with your future FBI endeavors. .

Knowledge is power, educate yourself on how polygraph exams are administered. 

Triple x

Triple x,

Have you had any experience as an investigative specialist or know folks in the position?

Is do you know of any of the negatives about the job?


Posted by: CraigBroward462
Posted on: Mar 28th, 2019 at 2:20pm
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Sorry to revive an old thread but I am seeking current info on FBI SSG. If anyone is willing to talk please let me know.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:46pm
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Fair Chance wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:10am:
I waited for a new SSL before posting. George, you might want to do it more often than every year.

FYI,'s server presently supports Perfect Forward Secrecy if you connect using the latest versions of Firefox (including the Tor Browser), Chrome/Chromium, or Opera. However, sessions established using Internet Explorer or Safari will not be so protected.

I am indeed considering changing the certificate on a more frequent basis.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:46am
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Fair Chance wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:10am:
Say the truth and lose your job.Say nothing and this country will lose our Constitution. Caught between a rock and a hard place in the landslide of our government, what is an executive branch worker to do? 

Take notes. Document waste, fraud, and abuse. Leak.
Posted by: Fair Chance
Posted on: Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:10am
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I have been reading from afar. I waited for a new SSL before posting. George, you might want to do it more often than every year. You have no idea how irritating you are to so many Agencies.

My first and last post for a while.  Keep up the great work.

To all of the new readers, you need no more than to read all of the existing posts to know what you need to know. It is what it is.  The Emperor still has no clothes but everyone who can see clearly is afraid to say the truth.  Those that do will be beat down.

The general attitude in government is to surround yourself with yes-men.  It helps them to cope with their disillusions. When something goes wrong, everyone asks, "Why didn't somebody say something?"  They were trained to say yes, why would you ask them to say anything else?

Say the truth and lose your job.  Say nothing and this country will lose our Constitution. Caught between a rock and a hard place in the landslide of our government, what is an executive branch worker to do?
Posted by: Buckyt
Posted on: Mar 25th, 2013 at 9:06pm
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Looking for a full time position after a long time in local law enforcement.   Worked JTTF for 4 years as part of my gig.  Are there any age requirements for the SSG.
Posted by: BJA
Posted on: Oct 21st, 2011 at 7:52pm
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@ SSG Recruit

I was hoping you could please send me any info on becoming an investigative specialist. I am very interested in working for the FBI, but IDK if i meet the requirements for that IS job.
Posted by: superman51
Posted on: Mar 9th, 2009 at 4:49pm
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Hey I am almost done the application process and awaiting my call to start class. Can you please let me know more of your likes/dislikes and give me a little more info without violating the code?

Fair Chance wrote on May 1st, 2004 at 1:30am:
Dear kodak,

Positives, paycheck and benefits everyweek including four weeks vacation after three years,  access to information that few people are aware off, some cases are very interesting.

Negatives, you cannot tell anyone about anything interesting about your job because it is all top secret, you cannot impress your friends about what you do because it will be frowned upon by the security people of the FBI.  The FBI wants you to keep an exceptionally low profile almost to the point that no one is aware of the fact that you work for the FBI period.  The FBI is experiencing a low point of prestige after the 911 commission findings and the Director, to his credit, is fighting with all of his might to keep as much work under the FBI as possible.

You can contact me with specific question via private messages about anything more because I do not want to bore people with the details.


Posted by: Fair Chance
Posted on: Jan 8th, 2009 at 4:27am
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Dear nitehumper,

In a word, "NO_WAY!!"  The only way you will get a weapon in the FBI is over the last Special Agents' dead carcass.  That is what makes them special from the rest.  They are armed and everyone else is not in the FBI.  Take away that last vestige of power and the whole Hoover legacy takes a bloodbath.  This is what is making them so upset with Mueller, he is not "one of them".  The IA rise to power and prestige within the FBI is completely upsetting the apple cart of hen pecking order.  There is grave concern that the worst Special Agent in the FBI is not automatically assumed better than the best "Support Employee" by default.

It is really amazing to observe the insecurity of these "top notch best of the best" people.

Good luck getting a weapon.
Posted by: nitehumper
Posted on: Jan 7th, 2009 at 7:24pm
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With the evergrowing dangers a job like this brings and the possiblity of some MOB thug making you while suvaying them and pounding your face in, is it possible that someday SSG's might be armed??
Even some Mall cops are armed these days.
Posted by: T.M. Cullen
Posted on: Nov 26th, 2008 at 9:38pm
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I'm not sure I can pinpoint why they said what they said, but I can't impress upon you enough how important it is to be prepared for the interview (and polygraph).  I was very prepared for the interview, but not at all prepared for the polygraph.  Regarding my poly results, apparently I am a drug user/dealer/kingpin of some kind which is really quite amusing for anyone that knows me.  Also according to the poly, I may be a spy with illicit foreign contacts.  Good luck!

It never fails to amaze the number of spies, and drug dealers who  apply to work at the FBI.  Luckily, we have an army of vigilant polygraph operators to "catch em" before they manage to get hired!  Gotta go, Oprah is on after this commercial!

Dr. Phil Show viewer
Posted by: mustbaliar
Posted on: Nov 26th, 2008 at 3:13pm
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I'm not sure I can pinpoint why they said what they said, but I can't impress upon you enough how important it is to be prepared for the interview (and polygraph).  I was very prepared for the interview, but not at all prepared for the polygraph.  Regarding my poly results, apparently I am a drug user/dealer/kingpin of some kind which is really quite amusing for anyone that knows me.  Also according to the poly, I may be a spy with illicit foreign contacts.  Good luck!
Posted by: Charlie Dibble
Posted on: Nov 21st, 2008 at 10:53pm
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Mustbaliar: Not so much a polygraph inquiry, but I'd like to know more about your responses to the interview questions that resulted in a highly qualified status. There's an FBI SSG thread over on Federal Soup I'm active with, and your info may be helpful there. Now in regards to the false-positive, may I ask what that was in regards to? TIA.
Posted by: mustbaliar
Posted on: Nov 14th, 2008 at 4:08pm
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I applied for similar positions with the FBI several years ago, around the time that this original thread started.  The FBI is notorious for taking a very long time between notices.  Be sure, however, that they will most likely not respond to your email or phone messages, based on my experience and others I have spoken with.  I tried numerous times to contact my coordinator during my process but she never responded.  The only way I was ever able to get through to someone was because my SO was employed with the FBI at the time and provided me with real contact info.  My only advice on this is to be as patient as you can.  You will hear something eventually.

Like you, I was told by one of my interviewers and a couple of coordinators that I was one of the best qualified and organized applicants and they looked forward to having me join their team.  BUT, then came my false-positive polygraph result that ended any hope of ever becoming an FBI employee.  My point is this: please don't get your hopes up too high.  And make sure you educate yourself on the polygraph beforehand.  

Good luck to you.
Posted by: cosmogirl136
Posted on: Nov 13th, 2008 at 3:53am
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i applied for fbi investigative specialist announcment 05-2007-0044 I was found best qualified I also applied for surveillance specialist  05-2007-045 and was found best qualified . I was given a coe on May 15,2008 I have not heard from the fbi  regarding the BI ,drug testing or the polygraph . I am a little worried that my application is no longer active I tried calling the fbi But no one has return my phone calls or email I am a little nervous I really want this job does anybody know who I can contact to see if I am still being considered for the position?
Posted by: SSG In Waiting
Posted on: Nov 3rd, 2008 at 2:10pm
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Hey all,

I recently got a COE for an SSG IS position and just wanted to confirm a few rumors about the position that I have read on other sites. Is it true that they now give you your station assignment before sending you to class for your training?  Also, I heard that this is automatic gs 11 promo after one year, is that true?  None of this really matters to me, I'll take whatever they give me, I'm just curious as to how much I'm hearing out there is disinformation. 

Posted by: Fair Chance
Posted on: Oct 1st, 2008 at 6:22pm
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Not good at all.  The FBI like most intelligence agencies has concluded that financial responsibility is mandatory for successful application.  You will have to have many more years of clean financial history because there are too many applicants who will not have filed for bankruptcy.
Posted by: Counterfeit Bill
Posted on: Oct 1st, 2008 at 3:25pm
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What would be the effect of a three-year-old chapter 7 bankruptcy in the presence of no current bad credit issues on a recent credit report?
Posted by: Ithical
Posted on: Aug 1st, 2008 at 1:30am
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If you’re still getting positive attention, that is a good thing.  I recently finished up everything but now find myself on silent hill.  From what I have been told, you will be receiving a letter in the mail when you’re all done, and that it goes out to a number of people all at once in order to fill an available class.  So they pick how many they need off the eligible list, and it goes from there.  I guess this letter will contain your report date, reiterating your grade and pay, and additionally of course, the official "Welcome to the Bureau" lead off sentence.  But the bottom line is, as it was said to me, that if you have completed everything, then you are in.  If everything is good on their end, then you are good to go, hello 7 weeks in Quantico.  

I am not at all new to the Federal hiring process, and that goes for a number of positions, and usually notifications of EOD dates are received through a phone call.  In my experience, you might receive a phone call for most positions informing you of your final hire, followed by an e-email containing your information and instructive documents.

Nevertheless, if this is true of a class having begun July 21st, and your source is a good one, then it may be safe to say that we are in for a bit of a wait, perhaps a couple months –not to discourage anyone, but I’ve been doing this far too long to pump you-guys up only to be waiting for another 6 months of nothing.  Come to think of it then, this would explain the July 2nd hiring push.  

If it’s already been noted on this forum, good, and I will say it again, to keep pumping out those 612’s to agencies, and create as many job options as you can.  Keep yourself busy by doing that, and it will go a lot faster.  Before you know it, you will receive your cool as* Bureau badge and credentials, be walking into your field office, getting welcome aboard handshakes, your car keys, cell phone, pain in the as* paper work, swear in ceremony, and your SSG nick name (think of something cool, like “Pac Man”, or “Spy Hunter”.  A couple years locked in, you’ll be GS 11 or have move onto Team Leader, making good money.  That’s right, I did say good money, because I come from the gutter, literally, where this Devil Dog has done worse for much less –to include 4 months in An Nasiriyah Iraq/2003 getting paid $1,800 a month while trying to keep my limbs attached and AK rounds from scuffing my brand new flak jacket.  So for those that have slammed this gig, ask me if I will be complaining while sipping Starbucks with my IPOD, note pad, pen, and camera pack in my car following folks possibly perpetrating the fraud in the homeland.  It’s all about what you make of it. 

Now, retirement….yes… that is a different story, I agree, and having that 6C Law Enforcement coverage is something to smile about.  But it’s not the only way to smile.          
Posted by: Robbin
Posted on: Jul 28th, 2008 at 1:41am
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I have a few questions.

But first let me say there was a class that started July 21st.

My question is this. I have done the polygraph, physical, interview, fingerprinting and drug test. I submitted my paperwork back in May. I had my poly etx June 12th. I recently had my physical in July. What is left? I have made it clear to all my reference that they would be contacted etc. None of them have gotten anything or heard anything. But my file has been gone a good 8 weeks. I also received note my credit was pulled a month ago but then they called and scheduled me for the physical.

Good or bad?
Posted by: Fair Chance
Posted on: Feb 1st, 2008 at 2:41am
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Alot of good information in this thread.  I gently remind you that support positions are still considered second class citizens in the fbi.  If you are using this position as investment towards SA, good luck.  Do not use this position as career investment towards another support position.  It is a very poor investment of your time and career if you are trying to attain career status (dead end).  I know I am very blunt but honest.

Posted by: fivefour
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2008 at 5:25pm
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If they called you and stated your background interview (BI) was next, that means they will start to conduct their investigation. It will comprise of them knocking on doors (to neighbors, roomates, employers, and they probably go to your college and talk to professors) They then will run a credit check on you and so forth.. The process, if I remember right, took 3-4 weeks.. You will not have anymore interviews, however, the background investigator (usually done by a third party whom is not employed by the FBI, but is a contracted worker through the FBI) will be busy interviewing your references, and that is done face to face.. So, if you would like the process to go fast, give your references a heads up and MAKE SURE THEY WILL BE available.. If your references put the BI off, it will slow your BI, thus taking longer.. 

After your BI is conducted, and the FBI deems you eligible for a TS clearance, you should get a call to complete your polygraph.. If you were not drug tested, they will do that too, and fingerprint you.. After that is all complete, the FBI office you process out of will send the paperwork (BI and polygraph) up to FBI HQ in DC for their blessing..

Then, after HQ gives you the nod the last step should be your physical.. The office you process out of will contact you and send you all of the stuff you will need for your physical (yeah, you have to collect poop samples yourself).. Let me offer you a word of advice, if you are not thorough with anything else, make an exception on this.. And MAKE SURE YOU ARE UP ON YOUR VACCINATIONS and can provide accurate documentation... I was held back a class due to an "adult polio booster" and I didn't know it until I had the office call HQ.. 

After you pass your physical (nothing to sweat) you're pretty much in... Don't be surprised if you have a long wait.. They seem to be slow on hiring G's right now due to financial reasons.. There is going to be a class sometime this year.. The class is approximately 4 weeks long, and they may or may not put you up in a hotel.. Some of the class is conducted in Quantico, but a vast majority of it is conducted in a discreet place.. 

As far as the pay goes, refer to this website:

Your pay will depend on your field office your assigned to.. Places like L.A. and Houston have higher pay, but it's all based on the cost of living.. A GS-7 is anywhere between $36,800 to $43,000 .. But, like I said, the $43,000 could sound great, but in places like Los Angeles, that is low! But don't sweat it.. In two years, you'll be a GS-11..

I hope this was a help..


Posted by: koukla24
Posted on: Jan 31st, 2008 at 4:36pm
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Good morning,
I recently was notified that I was chosen for a SSG position. I was told the next step is my Background Investigation. Can anyone tell me what is next? Poly? More interviews? I already had one interview. What does the pay start at for a GS 7? How long before I start training? How long is training? Do I live at Quantico when I go to training? You can email me if it's easier. Thanks a lot.
Many, many questions...
Posted by: exssg
Posted on: Mar 15th, 2006 at 2:59am
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I used to work for the FBI's SSG team for about 10 years in a major metro area. This job is the biggest bullshit going. It's become much larger today than when I got in. There are SSG field units attatched to alot of FBI offices throughout the US. The bureau makes a big deal out of the G's and they do give them alot of support especially after 911. But basically it's alot of boring surveillance work where you follow subjects around from place to place. These subjects are usually diplomatic staff or suspected foreigners here that might be involved in terrorism. The money will go anywhere from a GS5 to GS 13. Not bad. But the job is basically a career dead-end with little chance of advancement. Some G's make it up the ladder to FBI Special Agent- A much better job. But alot don't... If you don't make a move then your stuck following people around for the rest of your career. A pretty thankless task. There's  no gun or arrest power. You do get cool looking credentials and a badge. Most  have take home Bureau cars. There is some travel and no heavy lifting or any real thinking either as you could sleep walk through this job. A lot of Bureau bureaucratic bullshit to deal with. If you don't mind the bullshit and a decent steady pay check; this job might be for you. But most people in this job complain about the job dissatisfaction and petty in-fighting that goes on regarding perks. cars, equipment, travel etc. If you have anything on the ball and want a challenging career where you have to use your brain ---then don't go to the SSG's......................
Posted by: Indiana314
Posted on: Sep 22nd, 2005 at 9:38pm
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To G-Man:

What is the FBI's policy on hiring and previous drug use?