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Topic Summary - Displaying 25 post(s).
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 19th, 2017 at 7:35pm
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xenonman wrote on Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
It could be anything. They won't tell you. For all you will ever know, it could be your high school English teacher who is still pissed off because you refuse to capitalize "i" when referring to yourself.


Or if you capitalized "E.E." when referring to e. e. cummings!  lol   Grin
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2017 at 5:02pm
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I believe i was rejected due to the polygraph confession.

but why does the email say: Background check" Failed.

this will haunt me forever, i need to know why!?

all those years in school... for this..?


I can understand fully.   That was exactly my reaction to the manner in which my application to the CIA was definitively and irreversibly f*cked up by similarly high-handed BI tactics! Angry
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:54pm
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Ex Member wrote on Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:47pm:
psyops


Or "polyps"..LOL!  Grin
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:47pm
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George W. Maschke wrote on Aug 3rd, 2007 at 1:06pm:
According to a USA Today article published Wednesday, 1 August 2007, LVMPD's combined polygraph/background check disqualification rate stands at 70%:


I'd suspect that the CIA washout rate is even higher than that!  Smiley
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:30pm
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i signed a bill of sale for my friend. Both of these guys were ok and aware of the signing.


One way of getting around that dilemma is to put the word "for" in front of the typed name of the signatory, and use your own signature above that. Smiley
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 18th, 2017 at 4:24pm
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Aunty Agony wrote on Oct 14th, 2016 at 7:00am:
It could be anything. They won't tell you. For all you will ever know, it could be your high school English teacher who is still pissed off because you refuse to capitalize "i" when referring to yourself.


That's absolutely correct, Auntie.  In my case, my BI for a summer IC  internship was fouled up by a group of cowards at the library where I worked part-time while in school.  None were authorized by me as references.  One bitter lesson that I learned from all this was that, as a class, institutional (as opposed to public) library staff are nearly as despicable as  are advocates of the polygraph!   Roll Eyes
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:11pm
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Has anyone passed all of their tests
 
poly
fitness
oral boards 

then disqualified for character issues? What does that even mean?


You might try joining casino security, assuming that they don't polygraph! Cool
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 17th, 2017 at 3:09pm
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Joe McCarthy wrote on Jan 12th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
It only takes one asshole


Indeed!    It also appears that each negative recommendation (regardless of source) in a BI is weighted the same as a dozen positive ones.   Angry
Posted by: Joe McCarthy
Posted on: Jan 12th, 2017 at 11:43pm
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It only takes one asshole
Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 5th, 2017 at 4:18am
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Joe McCarthy wrote on Jan 3rd, 2017 at 12:54am:
It means they found something in your personal history they didn't like, in my opinion.  Either someone has said something about you when they called references and family.  If this is the case, you have bigger problems than not getting on with METRO; you have a rat.... A gnawing heaving rat in your circle.

Having said that, base on my experience, it is usually something on social media that screwed you over.  

one or both, are distinct possibilities.

Just my take based on the limited information.  

P.S.  I hope I didn't say anything you'd find offense.  I have a unique sense of humor


This is exactly the problem I had with my IC applications.  Based on my FOIA/PA requests, I believe that my rejection was due entirely to the BI.  Unfortunately, the BI'ors were able to "develop" a series of informants (all at one employer in particular), not authorized by me, who went out of their way to provide incorrect/inaccurate accounts to the investigators.
Posted by: Joe McCarthy
Posted on: Jan 3rd, 2017 at 12:54am
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It means they found something in your personal history they didn't like, in my opinion.  Either someone has said something about you when they called references and family.  If this is the case, you have bigger problems than not getting on with METRO; you have a rat.... A gnawing heaving rat in your circle.

Having said that, base on my experience, it is usually something on social media that screwed you over.   

one or both, are distinct possibilities.

Just my take based on the limited information.   

P.S.  I hope I didn't say anything you'd find offense.  I have a unique sense of humor
Posted by: Alena
Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2017 at 11:48pm
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Has anyone passed all of their tests
 
poly
fitness
oral boards 

then disqualified for character issues? What does that even mean?
Posted by: Aunty Agony
Posted on: Oct 14th, 2016 at 7:00am
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...i officially received an email from my recruit stating i failed the "Background check".

I believe i was rejected due to the polygraph confession.

Recruiters lie, interviewers lie, polygraph examiners lie. 

But sometimes they tell the truth. If your recruiter says you passed the poly but failed the BI, the most likely explanation for this puzzling phenomenon is that you passed the poly but failed the BI. 

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There is nothing in my background of what so ever that could indicate me as a problem or etc.

It wouldn't have to be anything real. If someone they interviewed decided to lie about you for some reason, and they couldn't find anyone to tell them the truth, then your BI would be tainted. 

It could be anything. They won't tell you. For all you will ever know, it could be your high school English teacher who is still pissed off because you refuse to capitalize "i" when referring to yourself.

Posted by: Valor
Posted on: Oct 14th, 2016 at 1:06am
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2016 Applicant

Made it all the way to Polygraph exam, i passed according to the examiner. However, within the questions i was asked if i had ever signed a document that was under another persons name. Out of honesty and fear to Fail, i said yes.

Reason: 2 Weeks prior to my poly test, i signed a bill of sale for my friend. Both of these guys were ok and aware of the signing. Although it maybe considered forgery or illegal to sign for another person, i knowingly did so because i received permission from the buyer and seller. Research shows that under these permissions and circumstance, it is a permissible confession. 

Ok so fast forward 2 weeks, i officially received an email from my recruit stating i failed the "Background check" . That is where i am completely devastated by theyre  decision & the mystery of why!? 

There is nothing in my background of what so ever that could indicate me as a problem or etc. 

I believe i was rejected due to the polygraph confession.

but why does the email say: Background check" Failed.

this will haunt me forever, i need to know why!? 

all those years in school... for this..?
Posted by: Doug Williams
Posted on: Mar 13th, 2014 at 12:19am
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I just took the Polygraph test for Las vegas Metro Police and... they said I was using counter measures to manipulate the test.


It is a sad irony that often the people polygraph operators accuse people of using "countermeasures" are those who have no idea what that even means!  As a matter of fact, polygraph operators are now so paranoid that one of the questions frequently asked on the polygraph test itself is if the subject has read my or George's book.  Many of these unscrupulous jerks will fail or disqualify people just because they are suspected of the horrible Orwellian "thought crime" of educating themselves!  As a matter of fact, the information in these books is so effective, (and because the polygraph as a "lie detector" is so ineffective), it is considered to be "contraband" - it is actually prohibited by Big Brother's polygraphers in the government!  
Posted by: Ex Member
Posted on: Mar 12th, 2014 at 11:47pm
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comes back with a printout and another examiner wearing a suit and badge.

psyops.
Posted by: dc702
Posted on: Mar 12th, 2014 at 10:26pm
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I just took the Polygraph test for Las vegas Metro Police and received and inconclusive result.

I anticipated this day just out of fear of the horror stories i've heard of false positives.  The examiner was very nice, and we got to know each other pretty well.  at least enough to creat a bit of a comfort zone.   
He was very educational explaining the entire process and how the polygraph works.
We reviewed the polygraph booklet before testing to make sure there were no errors.  No changes were made as I found no errors or any doubt with any of my answers.

The examiner than starts explaining what each device does as he's hooking you up.  he gives me a moment to gather myself, than we start.  the  instant he said the test is now be gaining, suddenly my nerves became intense.  He told me to stop trying to calm myself down, and just go with it.  so I did.
The examiner than steps out of the room when he's complete and comes back with a printout and another examiner wearing a suit and badge.  They show me my charts which appear like tight lines at the beginning. referred as my base line and tight together lines again at the end of the test, which they called my base line again.  however the entire middle section from the first to last question were all consistent long and wavy lines.   
So they said I was using counter measures to manipulate the test.  made no sense because I was more of a wreck during the test than I was before and after.  so I thought the wavy lines should be opposite.
They said they would give me another chance and warned me to just follow direction and not do it again.  so now i'm more nervous, and wouldn't you know it. the test pattern came out identical as the first.  they ruled it as inconclusive and said they would now have to pull me out of the hiring process and send the info up to the "board" to deliberate whether or not I may be allowed to reapply in the future.   
This completely blows I put a lot of time and energy along with hopes and dreams into this department, and feel crushed now.
I'm still waiting for my assigned investigator to get in contact with me after this situation.  Which happened yesterday by the way.
Posted by: C L
Posted on: Dec 17th, 2013 at 3:23am
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I recently tested w/ the Metro and have passed everything except for my polygraph that I just took. Now I don't really no where I stand but am hoping for a retest. What bothered me the most is that I failed a drug use question, when I know I wasn't lying at all, and have only used marijuana once for experience!?!
That was the only question I failed, and after the test, my Examiner asked me why I was lying. I said I wasn't and found it weird how I did pass the question that said "Have you ever lied to any law enforcement authority?"
I answered no, and passed, which should say something that I was being truthful but was probably stressed or something.
This is really upsetting to me as this is the city I want to work for, and I am so close to my dream, but feel that I may be falsely disqualified. So I had to, fill out a paper why I believe there may be an error, but who knows where that will get me. HR cannot do anything about it as well...
I want a retest because I know I did not lie, and I know that this may potentially disqualify me for future LE jobs I want to apply for.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: Aug 3rd, 2007 at 1:06pm
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According to a USA Today article published Wednesday, 1 August 2007, LVMPD's combined polygraph/background check disqualification rate stands at 70%:

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-08-01-vegascops_N.htm

Long odds to join Las Vegas force
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY

LAS VEGAS — Kayvan Kazemi spent the night before his police entrance exam studying the gambling tables.

The 24-year-old Long Island, N.Y., officer candidate lost about $400 in the casinos before calling it a night. But nothing he did violated the law or disqualified him for a spot in the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department academy. It was just a typical night in Vegas, where Kazemi is still in the running for a job. And Lt. Charles Hank, the department's personnel chief, says there are worse examples of pre-test preparation.

Much worse.

Of the finalists for the 400 available jobs this year, a staggering 70% are expected to fail the required background and polygraph examinations for attempting to conceal a range of criminal activities, from prostitution to fraud and drug use.

If the recruiting effort were a one-year campaign, the washout rate might be a lesser concern. But Vegas plans to hire at least 400 officers every year for the next five years to keep pace with the region's explosive growth. And Vegas' experience is not unlike that of a number of departments nationwide.

War siphons pool of recruits

In Phoenix, where recruiters are in their own long-term hiring campaign, more than a third of the applicants are failing polygraph examinations. In Orlando, about half are not surviving critical pre-polygraph interviews.

One of the Orlando candidates flew in for an interview earlier this year and was dismissed after listing two fraudulent college degrees that the candidate had purchased online, said Sgt. Christine Gigicos, Orlando's recruiting unit director.

"As much as we tell 'em not to lie, they come in here and lie and they think we're not going to find out. Maybe they forget: We are the police," Vegas police Sgt. Dan Zehnder said.

The last time police officials were voicing such concern about the quality of recruits was seven years ago when the federal government began phasing out the landmark police hiring program aimed at adding 100,000 to the ranks across the country.

Now, a protracted war is siphoning away scores of traditional recruits, forcing departments to cast a wider net to fill thousands of jobs. Many of the jobs have been created in response to rapid community growth and the steady retirements of hundreds of baby-boomer officers.

But many are citing the war as having exacted a particularly heavy toll in the police ranks. Last year, an analysis of Justice Department data found that the deployment of thousands of local officers to Iraq and Afghanistan as military reservists was outstripping the pace of hires.

The analysis found that 11,380 officers were called for military Reserve service in 2003, compared with 2,600 new hires. Since that report was published, Justice statistician Matthew Hickman said anecdotal evidence suggests that departments are "having a lot of trouble" with both recruitment and retention.

Jeremy Wilson, associate director of the Rand Center on Quality Policing, says the national law enforcement hiring market is caught in its own "perfect storm" stoked by intense competition for a shrinking universe of applicants even as departments have relaunched aggressive recruiting campaigns.

A vice squad void of vices?

Vegas police recruiters were all smiles when a record 647 officer candidates streamed into a cavernous convention center July 10 to sit for the first in a day-long battery of entrance exams.

Nearly 150 applicants had come from as far as Vermont, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts, Iowa and Michigan to fill the hundreds of available slots.

Sgt. Zehnder, a department training instructor, offered a sobering dose of reality. For every 100 candidates, maybe 10 will eventually make it through the training academy and then to the street.

About 23% of candidates never get past a multiple-choice basic knowledge test. Forty percent fail the physical training workout — a mix of calisthenics, agility and running drills. But no other test comes close to producing the failure rate — seven in 10 — than the department's background check and polygraph exam.

"I can't tell you how many candidates I've lost," recruiter Luke Jancsek said of those caught lying. Many, he said, try to conceal the frequency of past drug use, some of which would not necessarily disqualify them. "I want to smack 'em in the head sometimes."

At an applicant reception on the night before the July 10 test day, recruiting officers urged a gathering of about 100 candidates to come forward if they thought past conduct might bar them from law enforcement. When the meeting was over, a handful of candidates grudgingly acknowledged a range of criminal activity in private meetings with recruiters.

Lt. Hank said one acknowledged paying for sex "just a few months ago" at a bachelor party. Another candidate from the East Coast, who had flown in at his own expense, also admitted to paying a prostitute. Both were encouraged to look elsewhere for work.

Most of the private meetings, however, involved questions about prior drug use.

If there was good news in the eleventh-hour confessions, it was that they came before the start of the lengthy and costly testing and training process. Candidates begin drawing a $47,777 annual salary while they are attending the 23-week academy.

Employing tourist-trap tactics

Given the high disqualification rate and the department's enormous expansion plans, Sgt. Eric Fricker said the department must maintain the current pace of attracting about 600 applicants a month.

To keep those numbers up, the department is using the same kinds of tactics the city has used to attract 40 million tourists and 50,000 new residents each year.

In the department's recruiting trips to the Midwest, the department emphasizes the warm, dry climate and surging economy.

A big part of the department's hiring campaign is being managed by the same marketing company that developed the city's signature motto: "What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas." Fricker is unapologetic about using the city's natural lures and vices to keep candidates coming. "It's Vegas," he said.
Posted by: Binky
Posted on: Mar 18th, 2006 at 5:15am
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Kona-

While looking around this site, I stumbled upon this posting. Why are you so angry? The poster asked a question, big deal! Why did you post a reply? 

Try yoga
Posted by: razor
Posted on: Mar 11th, 2006 at 1:36pm
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this topic has been dead for a while, thought id bump it. i've lived in vegas all my life and wanted to get a job with metro. just thought if any one had any recent experience with them
Posted by: Kona
Posted on: May 12th, 2004 at 3:18am
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PAQ wrote on May 12th, 2004 at 2:33am:
Man, I didn't know you could get your head bite off online. Everyone was talking about Vegas metro, so I just asked a question KONA.


PAQ,

In the time that it took you to type those two sentences, you could have gone to the LVMPD website (with the link that I provided) and found the answer to your question, plus a myriad of other information for the prospective police officer recruit.   

Maybe what I'm saying here is that you could have answered your own question if you had taken 30 seconds to research it, instead of wasting people's time asking questions that you could EASILY look up yourself.   

PAQ wrote on May 12th, 2004 at 2:33am:
But thank you very much for the info.


You're welcome.  You might want to use www.google.com as a search engine for any future quesitions concerning a specific police agency.   

Kona

Posted by: PAQ
Posted on: May 12th, 2004 at 2:33am
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Man, I didn't know you could get your head bite off online. Everyone was talking about Vegas metro, so I just asked a question KONA. Man talk about waking up on the wrong side of the bed. But thank you very much for the info. Please tonight try and get some much needed rest.
Posted by: Kona
Posted on: May 10th, 2004 at 10:48pm
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PAQ, 

Obviously you have a computer, so why don't you just go to their website at www.lvmpd.com and find out for yourself?! 

Good luck,
 
Kona
Posted by: PAQ
Posted on: May 10th, 2004 at 4:59pm
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Well I think it's time that thier few good cops got some much needed help. Does anyone know when their testing dates are?
 
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