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At today's sentencing hearing, Judge Claude M. Hilton sentenced Peter Debbins to 188 months (15 years and 8 months) in prison to be followed by five years of supervised release. 188 months is the low end of the 188-235 months indicated by the Sentencing Guidelines, and is less than the 17 years sought by the prosecution.
Polygraphy was not mentioned during the hearing.
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: May 12th, 2021 at 12:27pm
Yesterday, Tuesday, 11 May 2021, the government filed a Response to Debbins' Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing. The government's Response includes as Exhibit A an "Unclassified Declaration of FBI Special Agent Jeffrey B. Parsons." Parsons was present for all of the FBI's interviews of Debbins, and among other things, he discusses the polygraph examination that the FBI conducted on Debbins:
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C. The Polygraph Administered by the FBI in October 2019
14. In Debbins's letter to the court dated February 2, 2021, he states that, in the period between 2014 and his arrest, he "[w]as paranoid of the GRU and loved ones." Debbins explains, "I thought my wife and daughter were working for the GRU, which may explain why I didn't pass the 2019 FBI polygraph. The FBI didn't believe me when I told them that I had no post-2010 contacts."
15. For the background of the Court, the FBI began investigating Debbins after he failed a polygraph as part of his security clearance reinvestigation in early July 2019. Between July 2019 and December 2019, the FBI interviewed Debbins on multiple occasions about his cooperation and contacts with Russian intelligence agents. During these interviews, Debbins claimed that he stopped cooperating with the Russian intelligence agents after 2010. At the FBI's request, Debbins agreed to take a polygraph examination regarding whether he had any communication with the GRU or any other branch of Russian intelligence after 2010.
16. The FBI administered the polygraph to Debbins on October 23, 2019. Before the polygraph, Debbins signed two forms—a "Consent to Interview with Polygraph" and an "Advice of Rights." During the examination, the polygrapher asked Debbins whether he had any contact with Russian intelligence or the GRU since 2011. Debbins failed the polygraph.
17. During the interview immediately following the failed polygraph, Debbins continued denying any contact with the GRU since 2011. He offered a number of explanations as to his inability to pass. However, Debbins did not mention any paranoia that his wife and daughter were working for the GRU as a possible explanation. In fact, Debbins explicitly told the FBI that his wife was not involved with the Russian intelligence service during a separate interview.
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: May 11th, 2021 at 6:35am
It also includes a 5-page letter dated 2 February 2021 from Debbins to Judge Claude M. Hilton seeking clemency. In it, Debbins mentions that he was polygraphed by the FBI in 2019, writing at pp. 3-4:
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I didn’t confront the mental pathologies that plagued me and my feelings against the Kremlin, and because of that, I made another great mistake in 2014. I embraced an occult belief system in which I believed I was my own God, and thought I could conform to my will. My recitations and visualization rituals did not transform reality but created delusions. I created an imaginary advisory council of current and historical figures to guide and assist me. Instead of changing Russia. I descended into insanity unable to distinguish between reality and fantasy, and from 2014 until my arrest, I experienced the following:
• Suffered from insomnia which gave me 3 hours of sleep a night • Had bizarre dreams, night terrors, and hallucinations of meeting with the GRU. I even thought they were in my house and I removed the smoke detectors believing they were surveillance devices. • Crossed moral boundaries • Was always in a manic state of high energy • My mind would race constantly • Conducted trances to enter into the “subconscious universe” • Believed I could communicate via telepathy and dreams • Excessively used caffeine, alcohol, and sleeping medication • Believed in signs and omens • Was paranoid of the GRU and loved ones. I thought my wife and daughter were working for the GRU, which may explain why I didn’t pass the 2019 FBI polygraph. The FBI didn’t believe me when I told them that I had no post-2010 contacts • Believed the souls of my aunts and uncles who perished from Stalin’s famines were living through me • Created fantasies of past misdeeds needing atonement • Had delusions of becoming a double agent • As a CI professional, I was becoming that what I gazed upon and demonized myself as having affinity to Russia.
With all of this psychological and physiological torture, I simply wanted to unload these racing thoughts to pass my polygraph, without considering the legal ramifications. I made self-destructive and self-incriminating statements as a subconscious suicide attempt of a tormented soul, whose life was ruined by this de-humanizing Kremlin regime.
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: May 8th, 2021 at 10:55am
As of today, Saturday, 8 May 2021, Peter Debbins' sentencing hearing remains scheduled for Friday, 14 May 2021 at 9:00 AM before Judge Claude Hilton in Room 800 of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia at Alexandria:
On Friday, 7 May 2021, the prosecution filed a 30-page sentencing memorandum that at p. 15 briefly mentions a polygraph examination that Debbins underwent in July 2019:
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D. Procedural History
As of July 2019, Debbins was working for a DIA contractor overseas. See Tomlinson Decl. ¶ 7; Ex. A, ¶ 22. That month, as part of his security clearance reinvestigation, he returned to the United States to take a polygraph examination, which he failed.5See Ex. A, ¶ 23. After Debbins failed the polygraph, he participated in a series of voluntary interviews with FBI agents from July 2019 to December 2019. See id. ¶ 24. During these interviews, Debbins detailed his cooperation with the Russian intelligence agents from 1996 until 2010. See id. Debbins has claimed that his conspiracy with the Russian intelligence agents did not continue past January 2011. See id. 25; SOF ¶ 1.
5. The government includes the information that Debbins failed his polygraph examination solely to provide the context leading to the FBI interviews—not as a factor to be considered in determining Debbins' sentence.
It seems unusual to me that Debbins would have traveled to the United States for any routine polygraph screening. That's not a cost-effective way of polygraphing personnel assigned to a large overseas facility in a stable and secure allied country (as Debbins was). A more economical approach would be to send a polygraph operator on TDY to polygraph multiple personnel on-site. It is also unusual for a failed polygraph to result in questioning by the FBI.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Apr 20th, 2021 at 12:51am
I did not ask for proof from the government. I asked for proof from George, proof that Debbins took and passed a polygraph given by either INSCOM or DIA to substantiate his claim of "another catastrophic failure of polygraph screening". He already admitted that he has nothing more than "strong circumstantial" evidence, which is not evidence, but speculation/conjecture.
George has given proof. If a polygraph is required for those jobs, and Debbins worked those jobs, then he took a polygraph. You still didn't answer my question. If you do not accept deductive reasoning from news articles and official court documents as proof, and the U.S. government will not release an official statement, then what type of proof will you accept?
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 19th, 2021 at 6:20pm
I did not ask for proof from the government. I asked for proof from George, proof that Debbins took and passed a polygraph given by either INSCOM or DIA to substantiate his claim of "another catastrophic failure of polygraph screening". He already admitted that he has nothing more than "strong circumstantial" evidence, which is not evidence, but speculation/conjecture.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Apr 19th, 2021 at 2:13pm
We, the antipolygraph community, can make deductions from news articles, court documents, and other information we find online. We can surmise that people have passed the polygraph while hiding criminal activity.
That's the very definition of speculation. Thank you, you just proved my point.
Actually, I think I proved my own point, quickfix. If the U.S. government will not publicly provide the proof that you seek, what would appease your hubris as the most definitive proof? Tell us exactly what you want to see, aside from U.S. government statements which will not occur.
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 19th, 2021 at 10:57am
We, the antipolygraph community, can make deductions from news articles, court documents, and other information we find online. We can surmise that people have passed the polygraph while hiding criminal activity.
That's the very definition of speculation. Thank you, you just proved my point.
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 18th, 2021 at 6:57pm
You seem to be in denial that Debbins beat a polygraph. Everyone who works at DIA has to take a polygraph. (see the faq "Do I need to take a polygraph test?") Therefore, if Debbins worked at DIA, even as a contractor because contractors undergo the same clearance process as their government officers, he took a polygraph. I found this article with proof of several other federal criminals who passed polygraphs as well. The government is not going to publish a full unredacted polygraph report. It is hard enough trying to get this through FOIA/PA. The fact is, Debbins is one of many polygraph-passing federal criminals. The polygraph is a joke.
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 5:26pm
that's what I thought you'd say. "Circumstantial" is not evidence. It is speculative and makes assumptions.
A DIA Polygraph report is evidence. An INSCOM polygraph report is evidence. Polygraph charts are evidence. A confession that countermeasures were used is evidence. You have none of these.
When you pass off speculation as evidence, all you do is lose credibility.
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 5:17pm
This kind of work typically requires polygraph screening.
again, this is speculation. "Typically" is not evidence. Your blog states your "evidence" that Debbins beat a DIA and INSCOM polygraph What is your evidence?
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 4:50pm
It is true that not all Army positions that require a TS/SCI clearance also require polygraph screening. However, according to Debbins' resumé, his job at the 902nd was as an analyst in support of counterintelligence cyber operations. This kind of work typically requires polygraph screening.
But even if Debbins was not required to pass a polygraph in connection with his contract work for the 902nd, he would certainly have had to pass one in connection with his subsequent contract work for DIA.
If you know otherwise, please explain.
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 4:49pm
Also, if Debbins took a polygraph for his job at anytime in the past 15 years, then he must have beaten the polygraph to keep his job and continue his espionage activities.
That is "if"; "if" is not evidence, it is speculation. "he must have beaten the polygraph" is also speculation, not evidence.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 4:16pm
This November 2020 Washington Post article says, "Debbins failed a polygraph test and subsequently confessed that he had been in contact with Russian intelligence for 15 years."
Does this prove that the polygraph caught Debbins? Also, if Debbins took a polygraph for his job at anytime in the past 15 years, then he must have beaten the polygraph to keep his job and continue his espionage activities.
Posted by: quickfix Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 3:58pm
AntiPolygraph.org's previous reporting on the Debbins case, including evidence that he beat the polygraph to penetrate the U.S. Army's Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is available here:
George, the above statement you made is based on speculation, not evidence. Your blog from last August states:
"Debbins’ resume, made public on 27 August 2020 (after this article was first published), shows that this contract work was for the 902nd Military Intelligence Group, a counterintelligence unit falling under the U.S. Army’s Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) and headquartered at Fort Meade, Maryland. This position, for which Debbins needed a TS/SCI clearance, would have required polygraph screening."
This statement is not accurate. Needing a TS/SCI in the Army does NOT require a polygraph exam. Debbins would not have required one unless he was being read on to a SAP that specifically requires one. You are merely assuming he would have needed one.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Apr 17th, 2021 at 3:28pm
I never knew we could dial into a sentencing hearing! They should make it a podcast or live video stream. I will be watching this. I still think Debbins's case, and some of the other cases I mentioned in this thread, are examples of a suspect making his or her final confession during the polygraph. Thus, the polygraph is the final tool that caught a spy. I still believe the government does not want people to know that a confession is the key to a polygrapher's victory. Anyway, let's see what sentence Debbins receives.
Earlier this year in February 2021, the Washington, D.C. International Spy Museum had this online event called “Spies & Spymasters Happy Hour”, which included an NSA polygrapher named Thomas Mauriello. What is interesting is that the host of the event, Mark Zaid, says that federal polygraphers are fishing and trying to get subjects to make an adverse admission. All the panelists nodded in agreement. However, Thomas Mauriello rebuked Zaid's assessment of the polygraph, meaning Zaid was speaking the truth. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA9oA5gkd_w&t=1h12m40s
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: Apr 16th, 2021 at 8:51am
Confessed Russian spy Peter Rafael Dzibinski Debbins' sentencing hearing is scheduled to begin at 9 AM today (16 April 2021) on Friday, 14 May 2021 in Room 800 of the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia in Alexandria. Under General Order No. 2020-11, the court has authorized public participation via toll-free telephonic access. Note that creating audio recordings is prohibited (see p. 6 of the order).
According to the Listing of Numbers for Public Teleconference Access, the telephone number for proceedings before Judge Claude M. Hilton, who will be presiding over Debbins' sentencing hearing, is 1-888-363-4735 and the access code is 8281778.
As noted previously in this message thread, it was suggested in a previous hearing that Debbins' espionage came to light in the aftermath of a polygraph examination. Documentation of that has not been publicly released, although the docket includes a sealed transcript from proceedings held on 18 November 2020 and a sealed presentence investigation report.
AntiPolygraph.org's previous reporting on the Debbins case, including evidence that he beat the polygraph to penetrate the U.S. Army's Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM) and the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) is available here:
Peter Debbins' sentencing hearing, which was to be held on 26 February 2021, has been rescheduled to 16 April 2021 at 09:00 AM in Alexandria Courtroom 800 before District Judge Claude M. Hilton. A pre-sentence investigation report filed in January 2021 remains under seal.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Nov 20th, 2020 at 10:42am
However, the U.S. government will never publicly say this because then spies will learn to avoid confessing.
I expect most spies already know that confessing is a bad idea.
Agreed. Though in these polygraph/interrogation sessions, you never know what the polygrapher or LE is threatening the subject with to make him or her confess.
If a failed polygraph "test" were ever the trigger for an espionage investigation that culminated in a conviction, nothing would prevent the U.S. government from publicly stating so, and it would be under no obligation to answer questions from journalists about it that it did not want to answer.
I presume this is what happened in this Peter Debbins case! However, you are right, let's reserve judgement until all the facts come out, if they all come out.
Posted by: George W. Maschke Posted on: Nov 20th, 2020 at 10:33am
However, the U.S. government will never publicly say this because then spies will learn to avoid confessing.
I expect most spies already know that confessing is a bad idea.
If a failed polygraph "test" were ever the trigger for an espionage investigation that culminated in a conviction, nothing would prevent the U.S. government from publicly stating so, and it would be under no obligation to answer questions from journalists about it that it did not want to answer.
Posted by: troll_of_truth Posted on: Nov 20th, 2020 at 10:14am
I see no policy consideration that would prevent the U.S. government from publicly stating that a spy had been caught by the polygraph if such a thing has ever happened. I don't understand on what basis you believe that discussing it would "open up the polygraph to exploitation."
I do. Let me explain. I deduced from this website that the easiest way a person can fail a polygraph is from making a confession or disqualifying admission. Here is a hypothetical public interview with a polygrapher:
News Reporter: How did you catch John Doe spying?
Polygrapher: During his polygraph, we asked him "Have you ever given classified information to someone not authorized to receive it?" He showed a response on his charts to that question, so we probed further.
News Reporter: Please explain.
Polygrapher: We asked more profound questions about why he reacted to the question about leaking classified information. He soon confessed to giving classified information to Planet Mars.
News Reporter: So it was only after his confession that you were able to arrest him?
Polygrapher: Yes.
News Reporter: So if he never confessed, he would have likely gotten away with the crime?
Polygrapher: Uhhh. . . [silence]
I think that once people know that confessions are what guarantees a polygraph fail, then people will be less likely to make confessions, thus, exploiting the weakness of the polygraph.
These IC polygraphs just ask a few general questions that cover everything, mostly crime, including drugs and espionage. The polygraphers usually don't know much except what is on applicants' SF86 forms if they are taking pre-employment polys, or some preliminary investigation in other cases. I'm willing to bet that suspects make confessions on the poly that the polygrapher would have never discovered otherwise.
My point in all of my postings is that the polygraph is used as part of investigations and usually is the fatal blow to applicants and spies. I'm sure spies have been arrested after their polygraph confession gave enough evidence for the arrest. However, the U.S. government will never publicly say this because then spies will learn to avoid confessing.