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Posted by: xenonman
Posted on: Jan 2nd, 2017 at 8:30pm
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Who ever said he was planning on lying? Where did you get that idea?  Roll Eyes


"Agent provocateur" comes to mind here, I think. Tongue
Posted by: Watermelondra
Posted on: May 27th, 2016 at 10:54pm
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Interesting statistic you cite George. But what percentage of the people who fail go in blindly with no prep and don't employ CMs?

I'd be more interested in knowing that statistic. What's the pass rate of FBI applicants who employ CMs successfully? Certainly a good bit higher than 50% I would assume, no?
Posted by: Ex Member
Posted on: May 27th, 2016 at 2:05pm
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George W. Maschke wrote on May 27th, 2016 at 7:58am:
Note that vjones said nothing about lying on the polygraph.


Yes, this was clear to me. But, I still find the post to be a bait. If I am wrong, then I apologize to vjones.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: May 27th, 2016 at 7:58am
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Ex Member wrote on May 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm:
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Anything else I should be doing to prepare?


Hmmm, did you not know that the U.S. government has demonstrated a propensity to prosecute those who would encourage or assist someone to lie on a polygraph exam in order to become a federal officer?


Note that vjones said nothing about lying on the polygraph.
Posted by: George W. Maschke
Posted on: May 27th, 2016 at 7:46am
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Have a polygraph coming up with a federal agency in a few weeks. Is it too late to prepare? I've read over the relevant chapter in TLBTLD. Anything else I should be doing to prepare?


No, it is not too late to prepare for your polygraph interrogation. Note that there is more than just one relevant chapter in The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. Countermeasures are documented in Chapter 4, but an understanding of the underlying procedure(s) is also necessary. This is documented in Chapter 3.

If the agency with which you are applying is a law enforcement one, you may benefit from reading up on a technique called the Law Enforcement Pre-Employment Test (LEPET). You'll find documentation of this technique in the U.S. Customs and Border Protection polygraph examiner's handbook, which you can download here:

https://antipolygraph.org/documents/cbp-polygraph-handbook-2010-01-07.pdf

Documentation of the LEPET begins at page 22 of the PDF.

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Also, what is the device that can be bought at the store to monitor heart rate/blood pressure? I was thinking of getting it. I think it was mentioned in TLBTLD but I can't find it now. Can anybody help? 


The device you are thinking of getting is called a sphygmomanometer, or in common parlance, a blood pressure cuff.

Note that federal agencies such as the FBI, CBP, and CIA have very high pre-employment polygraph failure rates, typically on the order of 50% (in the case of CBP, more like 66%). Although polygraph countermeasures can reduce the risk of a false positive outcome, they cannot eliminate that risk. Were I in your shoes, I would consider withdrawing my application, for reasons I've explained here:

https://antipolygraph.org/articles/article-032.shtml

Although my commentary was specific to the FBI, the same reasoning would apply with nearly equal force to other federal agencies that rely on the pseudoscience of polygraphy.
Posted by: Ex Member
Posted on: May 26th, 2016 at 11:01pm
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Who ever said he was planning on lying?

Perhaps he already has.
Posted by: Alex P
Posted on: May 26th, 2016 at 10:18pm
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Who ever said he was planning on lying? Where did you get that idea?  Roll Eyes
Posted by: Ex Member
Posted on: May 26th, 2016 at 8:38pm
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Anything else I should be doing to prepare?


Hmmm, did you not know that the U.S. government has demonstrated a propensity to prosecute those who would encourage or assist someone to lie on a polygraph exam in order to become a federal officer?
Posted by: vjones
Posted on: May 26th, 2016 at 1:53pm
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Have a polygraph coming up with a federal agency in a few weeks. Is it too late to prepare? I've read over the relevant chapter in TLBTLD. Anything else I should be doing to prepare? 

Also, what is the device that can be bought at the store to monitor heart rate/blood pressure? I was thinking of getting it. I think it was mentioned in TLBTLD but I can't find it now. Can anybody help? 


 
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