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Anyone have recommendations? I have been with my agency for 3 years....and it seems like its the time to head hunt police officers for NO reason in this dept. I walked out of the "failed" polygraph "test" room still having my job...and i go back to work tonight after my two days off so...im still employed and i have not heard anything as of today. Whenever the poly guy was done, the inv. came in and said....well why are you lying...i said im not lying..i told the God honest truth, I do not know what else you guys want from me.....he kept trying to get me to say i did something! Then he finally got tired of asking same question and said alright, im going to write my report and you may hear from us you may not....and i was free to go......
Posted by: Dan Mangan Posted on: Jun 12th, 2015 at 12:25pm
kawirider637, what you describe is good ol' fashion "black magic" polygraph -- just the way the cops like it.
Ya gotta fight, kid. Get a good lawyer, obtain help from your union, and maybe consider taking a private polygraph exam with a credentialed operator.
Here's a bit of irony... The polygraph industry apologists often compare polygraph accuracy to that of certain medical tests. (Absurd, I know, but let that go for now.)
Can you imagine a doctor or hospital refusing to release the complete results of a medical test for a second opinion because it was part of the patient's ongoing treatment?
Thus, in kawirider's case, it appears Doug Williams is right. The polygraph "test" is nothing more than a psychological billy club.
That bullshit has to change.
Daniel Mangan, M.A. Full Member, American Polygraph Association Certified PCSOT Examiner Candidate for APA President-Elect
Posted by: kawirider637 Posted on: Jun 11th, 2015 at 9:13pm
I called a couple of hours later to speak with him and ask if the test showed deception, no deception or inconclusive. he claims it showed deception. I called a friend that used to run the poly and he said ask him for a copy of the charts so i can review them...i called him back and asked him for a copy of the charts. he stated he would have to get with someone and ask if he could release the charts. then called me back and stated, he wasn't able to release the charts because its an open investigation....he asked me if prior to jan 14 have i ever lied in order to get out of trouble. i answered no because i thought he meant in my current job field.....not in my entire life, of course in my 27 years on this earth ive lied to get out of trouble...he asked prior to jan 14 have i lied to a supervisor...on my current career, no i have not but i probably have in the past when i was 16-17 years old on my first job or two of course...but i answered no because i thought he meant my current field....im a police officer...i feel like he directed me towards wrong answers....
Posted by: Dan Mangan Posted on: Jun 11th, 2015 at 8:53pm
Evan, let me first say that I was personally taught by Cleve Backster and have great respect for him and his contributions.
The video tells a compelling story with regard to environmental factors, examiner competence, examinee suitability, and much more. The charts alone are merely one element to what is usually a very fragile process with lots of variables.
It's amazing in review situations how often the video is somehow unavailable. That's a bad sign.
By the way, Backster taught that any available recordings -- be they audio or video -- should be made part of the review process.
Posted by: Evan S Posted on: Jun 11th, 2015 at 8:24pm
Thank you for providing a free and independent review of another polygrapher's data.
I thought only the test questions and four-channel charts are needed for QC (according to Cleve Backster's ideas on polygraph QC). So what is the purpose of the video?
Regards, Evan
Posted by: Dan Mangan Posted on: Jun 11th, 2015 at 6:24pm
Had a poly today with accusations that i stole an Ipad out of a coworkers vehicle. Now to make a long story short, this coworker accused me of doing this but never told a supervisor. after a week of harassment from him accusing me, I went to a supervisor and explained everything telling them that he is accusing me of this and something needs to be done. This supposed incident took place 8 months ago and were just now getting through with the poly. The coworker said he had 2 witnesses who said they saw me using an ipad but when they asked the coworker for the names of those individuals, he told them he rather not say. Hm.....last i heard, he wanted the case to be dropped and i believe it is because there is no validity to what he is claiming. now to today; i took the polygraph today...the questions were, did you take the ipad out of this person's car, have you ever lied to get out of trouble, did you take the ipad out of this person's car that day, and have you ever lied to a supervisor prior to jan 2014. i did 4 separate series of these same questions and then the post interview came and he showed me only one of the results which was the question about did you take the ipad out of this person's vehicle. it had a spike in the chart and had a -1 number on top of it. that was the only result he showed me was 2 times on the 4 series of tests that it had a spike and a -1....he did not show me the other two results. im wondering does this sound really bad to you guys? and also...the -1 number near the spike on the chart..is that an indication of something? is it good or bad or....any help is appreciated